these #$" Digital Reality... :-E

Is it even _real_ possible to run zx.spectrum echoed in EyeAche2 on
_what_spectrum or emulator? In general, are there any DR releases that are working? Subject!!! How angry I am... :-E I tried everything I had. Three emuls, scorp with 7ffd enabled and disabled, 'accelerated' and not
accelerated... What else should I try? Sax, what the hell, the releasers suck. :(

With all kinds of regards and wishes.
Igor.

P.S. I consider it a personal insult to mention the need to write a BASIC file in front of all files on
disk.
* Crossposted in RU.ZXNET.GENERAL
* Crossposted in ZX.SPECTRUM

... He lived as if he didn’t for the first time.

Once upon a time, and more specifically Sunday, February 08, 1998 at 11:33 Igor Gruzdev
hit the keyboard, composing a letter for All:

IG> Echoed zx.spectrum in EyeAche2 jujuki generally _real_
IG> run on _at least_ what_ Spectrum or emulator?
I don’t know, it worked great on Shalaev 3.04.

IG> P.S. I consider it a personal insult to mention the need to write a BASIC file in front of all
IG> files on disk.
;) How would you feel about me mentioning to you the need
of unique demos on disk?

Oleg Polunin

IG> ’›≈ŒŒ’¿ –œ ‹»≈ zx.spectrum ◊ ¿¿À¡» EyeAche2 ◊œœ¬›≈ _p≈¡ÃÿŒœ_ ⁄¡–’”‘…‘ÿ Œ¡
IG> _»œ‘ÿ_À¡ÀœÕ_ ”–≈À‘p’Õ≈ …Ã… ‹Õ’בœp≈? ˜œœ¬›≈, p≈Ã…⁄Ÿ DR »œ‘ÿ À¡À…≈-‘œ ≈”‘ÿ
IG> p¡¬œfi…≈? Û¡¬÷!!! ΡÀ — ⁄œÃ... :-E Ò –≈p≈–pœ¬œ◊¡Ã ◊”≈ fi‘œ ’ Õ≈Œ— ¬ŸÃœ.
IG> ˚‘’À… ‘p… ‹Õ’×, ”Àœp– ” ◊Àÿfi≈ŒŒŸÕ … œ‘Àÿfi≈ŒŒŸÕ 7ffd, '’”Àœp≈ŒŒŸ ' … Œ≈
IG> ’”Àœp≈ŒŒŸ ... ˛≈«œ ≈›≈ –pœ¬œ◊¡‘ÿ-‘œ? Û¡À”, Œ¡∆…«, p≈Ã…⁄≈pŸ »p≈Œœ◊Ÿ. :(

ÙŸ –“¡◊ƒ¡ ƒ’Õ¡≈€ÿ, fi‘œ DR ¬œÃÿ€≈ ƒ≈á‘ÿ Œ≈fi≈«œ, À“œÕ≈ À¡À ƒ≈á‘ÿ ”◊œ… ◊≈“”……
fi’÷…» ƒ≈Õ?

With God's blessing, Sergei Novikov aka Spirit^dR^sNG

ZXNet: 500:095/100.99 î FidoNet: 2:5020/689.1 î E-mail: s-no...@usa.net

08 Feb 98 Igor Gruzdev --> All :

IG> Is it even _real_ possible to launch the zx.spectrum echoed in EyeAche2 on
IG> _at least_ some_ spectrum or an emulator? In general, are there any DR releases
IG> working? Subject!!! How angry I am... :-E I tried everything I had.
IG> Three emuls, scorp with 7ffd on and off, 'accelerated' and not
IG> accelerated... What else should I try? Sax, what the hell, the releasers suck. :(

It worked for me when I recorded it first on the disc.

Best wishes! Vladimir Spashko 09 Feb 98 23:25 hour.

IG> run on _at least_ some Spectrum or emulator? In general, are any of DR
IG>'s releases working? Subject!!! How angry I am... :-E I tried
IG> everything I had. There are three emuls, scorp with enabled and disabled
IG> 7ffd, 'accelerated' and not accelerated... What else should I try? Sachs,
IG> Fuck it, the releasers suck. :(
DR are good releasers (they are only indirectly related to the demo - if
your program doesn’t work, you can only blame yourself). And EyeAche2 runs fine,
probably for almost everyone (except for diskloader).

<- With best regardz, Pavel ->

ZX - The Power of Shock (c) Pol Freeman/=Queen=Soft

Sun Feb 08 1998 11:32, Igor Gruzdev wrote to All:
IG> Echoed zx.spectrum in EyeAche2 is generally _real_
IG> launched on _at least_ some Spectrum or emulator? In general, are any of DR
IG>'s releases working? Subject!!! How angry I am... :-E I tried
IG> everything I had. There are three emuls, scorp with enabled and disabled
IG> 7ffd, 'accelerated' and not accelerated... What else should I try? Sachs,
IG> Fuck it, the releasers suck. :(

Listen brother, why be so rude to people, and it’s completely in vain.
Take our Rostov emulsion, which was written by Lion17 (2:5061/7.27) the latest imho
version was v0.31beta. And as for the first bass file, well, you’ve already forgotten that.
Relax, what’s so offensive about it, and understand this is a demo, not a game, here is a regular sequential loader, besides, already in EYEACHE2 it also has a muse. So you don’t need to check the position of files on the disk in the demo, and in some
it’s impossible (for example, when combining all parts into 3 blocks of 255 seconds each, how do you
know which part corresponds to which block, and if one part is in 2 different
blocks, these are unnecessary problems with positioning)
So you’ve somehow gone off topic.

With maximum respect, Andy Harchenko.

OP> ;) How would you feel about me mentioning to you the need
OP> for a unique demo on the disk?
Are you serious??? I'll check now... Wait, please.

With Best Wishes. [TEAM Speccy-r00leZ] [TEAM X-fILes]
[TEAM ┼he Pr0d!9Y] MaGeLan.

IG>> ⁄¡–’”‘…‘ÿ Œ¡ _»œ‘ÿ_À¡ÀœÕ_ ”–≈À‘p’Õ≈ …Ã… ‹Õ’בœp≈? ˜œœ¬›≈, p≈Ã…⁄Ÿ DR
IG>> »œ‘ÿ À¡À…≈-‘œ ≈”‘ÿ p¡¬œfi…≈? Û¡¬÷!!! ΡÀ — ⁄œÃ... :-E Ò –≈p≈–pœ¬œ◊¡Ã
IG>> ◊”≈ fi‘œ ’ Õ≈Œ— ¬ŸÃœ. ˚‘’À… ‘p… ‹Õ’×, ”Àœp– ” ◊Àÿfi≈ŒŒŸÕ … œ‘Àÿfi≈ŒŒŸÕ
IG>> 7ffd, '’”Àœp≈ŒŒŸ ' … Œ≈ ’”Àœp≈ŒŒŸ ... ˛≈«œ ≈›≈ –pœ¬œ◊¡‘ÿ-‘œ? Û¡À”,
IG>> Œ¡∆…«, p≈Ã…⁄≈pŸ »p≈Œœ◊Ÿ. :(
PN> DR - ‹‘œ »œ“œ€…≈ “≈Ã…⁄≈“Ÿ. · EyeAche2 …ƒ≈‘ Œœ“Õ¡ÃÿŒœ, Œ¡◊≈“Œœ≈, –œfi‘… ’
PN> ◊”≈» (À“œÕ≈ diskloader¡).

=))) ‰ŸÀ ◊Ÿ fi≈«œ!? ˜≈“”…— ¡◊‘œ“”À¡—!

:-O It really helped. Mmmm... Is it now like writing one demo per disc
?! Innovations... Within the framework of the SOS project, I wouldn’t give a broken penny of a new sample for such crafts. :-E Subject! /or have they nothing to do with this? Does anyone have the _original_ true codebuster demo? Does she have such
problems? If not, all the blame is on DR/

It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Sergei Novikov to
Igor Gruzdev Mon Feb 09, 1998 at 22:18...

IG>> Echoed zx.spectrum in EyeAche2 is generally _real_ to run
IG>> on _at least_ some_ Spectrum or emulator? In general, are there any DR releases
IG>> that are working? Subject!!! How angry I am... :-E I tried everything I
IG>> had. There are three emuls, a scorpion with 7ffd on and off,
IG>> 'accelerated' and not accelerated... What else should I try? Sax, what the hell,
IG>> the releasers are crap. :(
SN> Do you really think that DR has nothing else to do except make its own
SN> versions of other people’s dems?

I don’t know. But then how to relate it to this:

──────────────────────────bite─here──────(file: Fw.Nfo)─────────────
[shit washed away]
[ftp://ogre2vsk.edu.lv/speccy/]
├┌[nfo]─────────────────────────┴┐┤
rELEAZE : EyeAche2 ││ ├┌┴[seniorstuff]────────────────────┐┤
rELEAZED : Code Busters ││ sENIOR mEMBERS: aR7Y/dR
> COURIERED: aR7Y/dR/FW
││ fOUNDER : kAN0/RP wANNA b iN FW? jOIN uS!sUPPORT sPECCY sCENE!!! ││
└─────────────────────────────────┘ └─────────────────────────────────┬┘┤
[ftp://hsoft.ml.org] └────────────────────────────────────┘
─┌[contact]─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐─
> eMAIL: ar...@telecom.nov.ru
> fIDO : 2:5032/7.44
> sNAIL: 173025, RUSSIA, NOVGOROD, P.O. BOX 97
─└──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘─
──────────────────────────кусать─здесь──────(file: Fw.Nfo)─────────────

_Здесь_ чЕtк0 hаРи<аH(), kO|\/|Y мЬ|LiтЪ [голову]. Значит они имеют
непосpедственное отношение к этой деме. Если бы никакого отношения DR не имел, а
выступал только тpанзитом (что собственно вpоде как видно из этой кучи
каpакулей) то было бы честнее пpосто кинуть дему. А кидать с таким пафосом (я
_всегда_ был есть и буду пpотив дуpацки-аляповых способов подачи текстовой
инфоpмации) и не ноpмально pабочую, мягко говоpя не уважение (ко мне лично, за
всех не скажу, но пpо себя точно замечу, что это никуда не годится, когда дема
не хочет запускаться).

Sunday February 08 1998 11:33, Igor Gruzdev wrote to All:

IG> Echoed zx.spectrum in EyeAche2 is generally _real_ to run on
IG> _at least_ some_ spectrum or emulator? In general, are there any DR releases
IG> working? Subject!!! How angry I am... :-E I tried everything I had.
IG> Three emuls, scorp with 7ffd on and off, 'accelerated' and not
IG> accelerated... What else should I try? Sax, what the hell, the releasers suck. :(

Hey, hey!!!
Firstly, this is not our release, but CBS, I just couriered it!
Secondly, it’s high time to understand that everything that CBS does will work correctly
(work at all) only on the Pentagon.
Thirdly, at least one example that something from our (precisely our) brew did not work for you personally???

Such speculation for next time I will consider it a personal insult 8E~

=)

IG> P.S. I consider it a personal insult to mention the need to write a BASIC file in front of all
IG> files on the disk.

??? This is again not for us...

cYa, aR7Y/dR/FW · · · ··· Email: ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · · · · ·

IG> Echoed zx.spectrum in EyeAche2 is generally _real_ run on
IG> _at least_ some_ spectrum or emulator? In general, are there any DR releases
IG> working? Subject!!! How angry I am... :-E I tried everything I had.
IG> Three emuls, scorp with 7ffd on and off, 'accelerated' and not
IG> accelerated... What else should I try? Sax, what the hell, the releasers suck. :(

It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Artem Kharitonov to
Igor Gruzdev Wed Feb 11 1998 at 00:37...

IG>> it was. There are three emuls, a scorpion with 7ffd on and off,
IG>> 'accelerated' and not accelerated... What else should I try? Sax, what the hell,
IG>> the releasers are crap. :(
AH> Hey, hey!!!
AH> Firstly, this is not our release, but CBS, I just couriered it!

Uh-huh.

AH> Secondly, it’s high time to understand - everything that CBS does will work correctly
AH> work (work at all) only on the Pentagon.

Not yours. :) It works on Scorpia too. I have. Now. After recording the demo
at the beginning of the disc.

AH> Thirdly, at least one example of what from our (specifically our) brew did not
AH> work for you personally???

Who the hell knows. Consider that I lied.

AH> Next time I will consider such speculation as a personal insult 8E~

I understand you. But did you yourself know about the need to find the demo at the beginning of the floppy disk? Then your fault is in not conveying this information to the end
users.

AH> =)

Uh-huh.

IG>> run on _at least_ some Spectrum or emulator? In general, I launched DR

releases on the Shalaevsky emul and everything worked - you need to write EyeAche2 at the beginning
of the disc and the first should be .$b and then in order.

IG>> are there any working ones? Subject!!! How angry I am... :-E I
IG>> tried it

I don’t know what about the version launched in yuyuk here, but EYEARCH2 normally
runs on Sprinter in Pentagon-128 mode.
The pictures at the end are just class !!

░▒▓██ Best regards, Ivan. ██▓▒░

TR-DOS 5.04Ei

IG> :-O Really helped. Mmmm...
IG> Now what, write one demo per disk?!

No. The deme doesn't care what's written after it. Should she check the remaining sectors for zeros or something? ;))

IG> Innovations...

Not innovations at all. Quite a lot of programs should be recorded at the beginning
of the disk.

IG> As part of the sos project, I wouldn’t give a penny for a new sample for
IG> such crafts. :-E

Well, you don’t need EA2 - erase

IG> Subject! /or do they have nothing to do with this? _original_
IG> does anyone have a truly codebuster demo? Does she have such problems? If
IG> is not there, all the blame is on DR/

Next time you will throw the software yourself. I received the branded version and am still not
satisfied.

IG> ─└─────────────────────────────────── ───────────────────────────────┘─

H and? Addresses of Artie, who uploaded the version.

IG> _Here_ chEtk0 haPi IG> a direct relationship with this deme.

Naturally. But in this case, why not find fault with Larkov, because he
showed the demo on E97 and -> had something to do with it ;) And to Raver, because the demo was
not his ftp... =)

IG> If DR had nothing to do with it, but acted only as a transit
IG> (which actually seems to be clear from this pile of scribbles) then it would have been it would be
IG> it would be more honest to just throw the demo.

Which was done.

IG> And to throw it with such pathos (I _always_ have been and will be against
IG> stupid, clumsy ways of presenting textual information)

Just, please, don’t tell me how someone should do what.

IG> and don’t working normally, to put it mildly, no respect (for me
IG> personally, I won’t say for everyone, but I’ll definitely note to myself that this is no good
IG> when the demo doesn’t want to start).

Well, that’s right. Give CodeBusters the last place on E97 for this ;))

IG> P.S. Thank you, DR, for not inserting the intro on half the disk without the right to interrupt it,
IG> in the demo, with the topic of how cool you are. :-E

But it would be necessary. Exclusive

IG> P.P.S. This is not the first case of abnormal performance of programs
IG> distributedDigital Reality.

Examples, please.

IG> And I could advise potential buyers to be more careful
IG> about what this group represents.

Keep your advice to yourself.

IG> P.P.P.S. I am aware of several of their works, but nevertheless, it is necessary
IG> to note that flaws are remembered much easier than something even
IG> outstanding.

IG> I consider files on disk a personal insult. * Crossposted in

But I’m not!

See you soon, Igor!

*Greetings from Ultra*

IG>> Innovations...

SN> Not innovations at all. Quite a lot of programs must be recorded at the
SN> beginning of the disk.

So what? Now the average user can write to the disk using the program (and they all want to go to the beginning)?

IG>> Subject! /or do they have nothing to do with this? _original_ true
IG>> codebuster demo, anyone? Does she have such problems? If not -
IG>> all the blame is on DR/

SN> Next time you will throw the software yourself. I received the branded version and am not
SN> happy yet.

Why be happy? At least they mentioned where.. Either the order is not the same, then I wrote it down in the wrong place... It's annoying.

Yours truly, Hexman/BYTEX.
[Team ZX ASM] [Team Metallica] [Team Art Works]

Tuesday February 10 1998 13:21, Igor Gruzdev wrote to Oleg Polunin:

IG> :-O Really helped. Mmmm... Now what, write one demo per
IG> disk?! Innovations... Within the framework of the sos project, I wouldn’t give a broken penny
IG> a new model for such crafts. :-E Subject! /or they have nothing to do with this
IG>? Does anyone have the _original_ true codebuster demo?
IG> Does she have such problems? If not, all the blame is on DR/

Yes... I have never seen such downism........ IT'S just............

cYa, aR7Y/dR/FW · · · ··· Email: ar...@telecom.nov.ru ··· · · ·

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is pure lame! This is what children write who have heard
the ringing and watched the movie “Hackers” 15 times...

IG> have a direct relationship with this deme. If DR
IG> didn’t have any connection, but acted only as a transit (which actually seems to be clear from this
IG> pile of scribbles), then it would be more honest to just abandon the demo. And throwing around with such
IG> pathos (I _always_ have been and will be against stupidly clumsy ways
IG> of presenting textual information) and not working normally, to put it mildly, not
IG> respect (for me personally, I can’t say for everyone,

How can we talk about the scene now after this... Even if the users don’t understand words
courier... In the West this is normal, this is the standard... Now I will have to write an article in Scenergy#0
about the hierarchy of the scene, about the METHOD of presenting the text.

As for the writing: analyze everything written above and think about it. Everything
is done in a strict style (I mean fw.nfo).

IG> but I will definitely note to myself that
IG> this is no good, when the demo doesn't want to start).

Demes are not written for people like you!!!

IG> With all sorts of regards and wishes.
IG> Igor.

SN>> not happy.

VH> Why be happy? At least they mentioned where.. Either the order is not the same, or
VH> wrote it there... It’s annoying.

Well, don’t you think that before throwing it into the echo, the program could well
be written at the beginning of the disk?

14 Feb 98 14:15, Sergei Novikov reported to Igor Gruzdev about {these #$" Digital
Reality... :-E}:

IG>> Innovations...
SN> Not innovations at all. Quite a lot of programs should be recorded at
SN> the beginning of the disk.

Insanity :)

Warm greetings, Slava!

SN>> at the beginning of the disc.

VM> Insanity :)

Why... Pirates, Fire Gear (?), ZH-demo, Plutonia-demo, a bunch of magazines...
Enough.

AH> didn't go well with
AH> you personally???

Binary Love. It doesn’t fit into anything, even if you crack it. I launched it from everywhere and on everything, from a screw and from a floppy drive - no way.
I downloaded from three different bbs, took floppy disks from friends - the same way.
The first part is normal, then after the picture is showered with white fragments - it hangs tightly with a blinking border,
like with LOAD "" in BASIC. I climb into the shadows and see: the processor is spinning in the area #5b10...#5b20 in an endless JR loop twenty bytes back...
By chance there is no such thing there:
LD (ERRSP), address
RST #8

For Scorp, #0008 is the call point for BIOS macro functions, and there are several hanging on it. dozens of different functions, so you need to be careful with this.
And I want to look at the demo...

PS: And I’m afraid to run your programs -> I don’t run them. They kill the eighth
page. And there the shadow guy keeps the partition plate on the screw, so if everything that I spent six months pulling on
2400 is killed, I will lose my mind. + ScorpionZS256turbo+/SMUC/HDD'IDE130Mb/FDD'800/
/CMOS/ATkbd/Mouse/CDOS

SN> But it would be necessary. Exclusive.
After such an “exclusive”, you can safely send me a claim for infringement
of copyright... I’ll break everything to hell...

[.....]

IG>> And I could advise potential buyers to be careful
IG>> about what this group represents.
SN> Leave your advice with you.
Go away, as he said... An adult, damn it...

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

IG>> Is it now time to write one demo per disk?!

SN> No. The deme doesn't care what's written after it. Should she check the remaining sectors for zeros or something? ;))
And if it is also “vital” for the second and third deme to be first
on the disk?

IG>> Innovations...
SN> Not innovations at all. Quite a lot of programs should be recorded at
SN> the beginning of the disk.
Yes, indeed - no innovations. On the contrary - old inveterate
sanity...

[.....]

It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Vyacheslav
Mednonogov to Sergei Novikov Mon Feb 16 1998 at 11:35...

SN> Well, don’t you think that before throwing into the echo the program
SN> could have been recorded at the beginning of the disk?

There should just be respect for the recipients? To be honest, before I throw it (it was a long time ago), I thoroughly try to check it on the emulators available to me, Scorpio and so on. Naturally, I cannot guarantee the integrity of the version of this or that program (as in the case of ikari, which I threw into the firewall for a very long time, for the sake of its spreading, and what I threw turned out to be broken (or
Medzhikovskaya?) in short, they said that it was crooked.) but it worked at 100 percent. I myself went through it to the end. Not everything can be completed to the end for the sake of checking, but to
leaving the user (or at least not warning about it) in front of a frozen spec/emule is rudeness. IMHO.

Igor Gruzdev Sat Feb 14 1998 at 10:21 am...

AH> 2All: if I have bothered everyone with this letter, sorry, but I consider it my duty to refute such unfounded attacks
AH>. Since the matter concerns not me
AH> alone, but the whole team...

It’s tense specifically. Honestly. In any case, there were insults. Direct. The so-called 'personal attack'. From your side. It’s not a matter of using _such_ methods
to defend a point of view. All the more faithful. Well, I’m not touchy.

And now actually:

I publicly apologize to Digital Reality and Artem Kharitonov personally, for
open hostility towards this group, which appeared due to non-obvious
requirements for launching a demo from Code Busters (Eye Ache 2), which was
echoed zx.spectrum in uue format. I hope for mutual understanding.

VH>> I wrote it down somewhere... It's boring.

SN> Well, don't you think that before being thrown into the echo, the program could well have been
SN> written at the beginning of the disk?

How can I know where it was recorded?! For me, for example, it’s more usual
when the boot is written down first.. Is it difficult to write in the accompanying notes that the program
should be at the beginning of the disk?..

A bottle of papyrus floated to me, and on that papyrus it was written that Saturday
February 14, 1998 at 10:01, Artem Haritonov wrote to Igor Gruzdev:

IG>> :-O It really helped. Mmmm... Is it now time to write one
IG>> demo to the disk?! Innovations... Within the framework of the sos project, I wouldn’t even give a broken penny of a new model for such crafts. :-E

This is in vain! And why waste time on trifles, since you’re so angry, go straight to court or
catch them on the street and....

IG>> P.P.P.S. I am aware of several of their works, but nevertheless, it is necessary
IG>> to note that flaws are remembered much easier than something even
IG>> outstanding.
Perhaps, but you must agree that there are no bug-free programs, and since most of the people working on Spec are not professional programmers (no offense soft maker'am), then
glitches are quite acceptable. Yes, by the way, and not only on Spec.
________________________________________________________________________________

Some will ask why I defend the DR side, but because I am familiar with what was
written above. When someone starts in vain, out of nothing to do or just
to show off, to attack those who are doing something.

VH> How can I know where it was recorded?! For me, for example, it’s more common for
VH> when the boot is recorded first.. Is it difficult to write in the accompanying notes that
VH> the program should be at the beginning of the disk?..

I’m saying that the one who throws a certain program into the echo may well write it down to the beginning of the disk from
from the very beginning, and thus not encounter
any anomalies.

IG>> presentation of textual information) and not working properly, to put it mildly, not
IG>> respect (for me personally, I won’t say for everyone,

AH> How can we talk about the scene now after this... If even users don’t understand
AH> the word courier... In the West this is normal, this is the standard... Now you have to write an article about hierarchy in
AH> Scenergy#0 scene, about the METHOD of presenting the text.
Come on, write. Just don’t forget that, as far as I remember, Igor
has a higher technical education related to computers...
Well, explain to us the “hierarchy of the scene”... And about the “methods of presenting
text”, at the same time, it’s clear that I have acquired knowledge in this area. when passing normative control when developing a diploma, have long been outdated... Or
the relevant articles of GOST have simply changed since then?
By the way, is Scenergy #0 not ready yet ?????!!!!!! groups" (or how many of you are there?), then
we had to get it done before the new year...

(2SN: Don’t try, predicting your words, I’ll answer for you - “Nonsense.”)

AH> Regarding the writing: analyze everything written above and think about it. Everything
AH> is designed in a strict style (I mean fw.nfo).
Oh well. ? And in what GOSTs is your “strict style fw.nfo” described?textbook of the Russian language for the 1st grade.

[...skp...]

VK> PS: And I’m afraid to run your programs -> I don’t run them. They are killing the eighth
VK> page. And there the shadow guy keeps the partitions sign on the
VK> screw, so if everything I’ve been running on
VK> 2400 for six months is killed, I’ll go crazy. :(((
VK> Moreover, there is a lifelong turbo driver everywhere.
VK> After Fast Tracker and the like, it’s generally a nightmare - it can
VK> hang tightly, all you have to do is pull it out of the socket.
VK> But I don’t want to install a blocker - it’s a pity to cripple the board.
VK> These are sad things :(((
This Once again confirms my bad attitude towards Scorp.
I didn’t like him from the very beginning.

With Best Wishes [TEAM Speccy-r00leZ] [TEAM X-fILes]
[TEAM ┼he Pr0d!9Y] MaGeLan.

It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Andy Harchenko to
Igor Gruzdev Wed Feb 18, 1998 at 02:01...

AH> ____________ Some will ask why I defend the DR side, but because
AH> I am familiar with what was written above. When someone starts in vain, from
AH> there is nothing to do, or just to show off, attack those who
AH> are doing something.

Something must also be done wisely.

But on the other hand, if Artyom “curated” everything ]difficult for him in .diz or read.me insert a small line "The demo should
be placed first on disk" :-?

C Warm greetings, Slava!

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Evgeny!

Wed Feb 18, 1998, Evgeny Milun squeezed the keyboard, hoping that Artem Kharitonov
would reach the following words:

EM> By the way, what, Scenergy #0 is not ready yet ?????!!!!!! I thought so
EM> that since September it’s being made by “five of the largest groups” (or how many of you
^^^^^^^^^^ the coolest, so they said :)

And this word seems to come from the word “twist”, so they’re turning it ;).

In general, I think this: the more they talk about the project without backing it up with facts,
the more likely it is that In the end it will be a complete mess! Remember at least one truly powerful project that would have been discussed for more than six months, without
any clarifications, described with a few words like “it will be cool!”.
That’s how it will be, that’s how users will say whether it’s cool or not!

Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

Wednesday February 18 1998 02:00, Andy Harchenko ─── Igor Gruzdev:

[.....]

IG>>> P.P.P.S. I am aware of several of their works, but nevertheless, it is necessary
IG>>> to note that flaws are remembered much easier than something even
IG>>> outstanding.
AH> Perhaps, but I agree that there are no bug-free programs, and since most of the people who work on Spec in
AH> are not professional programmers (no offense to soft
AH> maker'am), then glitches are quite acceptable. Yes, by the way, and not only on Spec.
Well, the question is debatable... I, for example (as a professional programmer ;)),
believe that glitches are unacceptable and they must be fought by hook or by crook.

AH> ____

AH> Some will ask why I defend the side DR, yes because I am familiar with what was written above. When someone starts in vain, out of nothing to do or just to show off, he attacks those who are doing something.
And I also know how someone who does something in order to “show off” (which means he is absolutely not interested in the quality of his “creation”), attacks someone whose programs are at least lookable less
elegant, but they are much more reliable...
So, this is the same controversial issue...

SN>>> at the beginning of the disc.
VM>> Insanity :)
SN> Why... Pirates, Fire Gear (?), ZH-demo, Plutonia-demo, a bunch of
SN> magazines... That's enough.
By the way, from this "bunch of magazines" you can cross out one item - OBERON.
As far as I remember, he movable.

AH>> in Scenergy#0 write an article about the hierarchy of the scene, about the METHOD of presenting the text.
EM> Go ahead, write. Just don’t forget that, as far as I remember, Igor
EM> has a higher technical education related to computers...

Uh-uh... You're probably confusing me with someone. I'm just a radio technician.
Technical school. And I have nothing to do with computers at all. (officially, in
the sense of crusts).

AH>> I consider it my duty to refute unfounded attacks. Since
AH>> it’s not about me alone, but about the whole team...
EM> What are you talking about? That's why many of his attacks are justified. A
EM> yours...
And what kind of attacks from ARTY are you talking about, in my opinion, he didn’t start all this.
And any normal organizer would have done the same, in the sense of protecting his group
from left-wing hooligans.
________________________________________________________________________________
In short, guys, stop pushing the blizzard, because it all started with the fact that the demo didn’t
start someone, then someone ran into DR, this insanity reached the point that already uncles engineers with DIPLOMAs began to reproach them for violating state standards when writing texts. But the problem has long been solved, everyone seems to have launched and watched this
ill-fated EYEACHE-2, I hope IG, having overcome its principles, also did it.
It’s just a pity that because of all this $;%"! the same ARTY may no longer be burning
with the desire to throw something new into the echo. Well, if some comrades get a kick
quarrel, then it’s more likely from excessive tension, they'd better go in for sports or something else physical :).For starters, someone made a demo, maybe DR remade it with a specialist so that it plowed current at the beginning of the disk. That's right, guys are engineers with DIPLOMA.
_______________________________________________________________________________

With maximum respect, Jocker/Omega Hackers Group'98

A bottle of papyrus floated to me, and on that papyrus it was written that Thursday
February 19, 1998 at 01:29, Vyacheslav Mednonogov wrote to Andy Harchenko:

VM> But on the other hand, if Artyom had everything ] VM> was it really difficult for him in .diz or read.me insert a small line
VM> "The demo should be placed first on the disk" :-?
Yes it was necessary, otherwise such a “sea battle” broke out :)

VM> Warm greetings,
VM> Slava!

With maximum respect, Andy Harchenko.

EM> ^^^^^^^^^^ the coolest, so they said

EM> And this word seems to come from the word “twist”, so they cool
EM> ;).

Putting out a cool magazine is not selling you a CD with CV ;)

EM> In general, I think this: the more they talk about the project without confirming
EM> with facts, the more likely it is that in the end there will be a complete crap!

Come on. These are just your conjectures.

EM> Remember at least one truly powerful project that would
EM> be discussed for more than six months, without any clarification, described
EM> with a few words like “this will be cool!”.

And bring a few projects _in general_, about which only “This
will be cool” would be said - I’ll tell you which ones were "powerful".

AH>> offense soft maker'am), then glitches are quite acceptable. Yes, by the way, and
AH>> not only on Spec.
EM> Well, the question is debatable... I, for example (as a professional
EM> programmer ;))), believe that glitches are unacceptable and they must be
EM> fought by hook or by crook.
This is of course good, but Not everyone can finish off all the glitches, especially on spec, because... Most projects are not funded and coders, in principle, don’t care, the only obstacle is their or the group’s prestige. But if, say, there really was something like SOS, then after people paid money and received glitches, they would stop buying other products from this group. Then the creators
would spend many hours in beta testing and bug fixing.

EM> And I am also familiar with how someone who does something in order to
EM> “show off” (which means he is absolutely not interested in the quality of his
EM> “creation”), attacks someone whose programs are at least look
EM> less elegant, but they are much more reliable...
EM> So, this is the same controversial issue...
Well, give me an example. And here, in fact, one should compare rather not
reliability and elegance, but rather quality and usefulness.

VH> So what? Now the average user can write to a disk using a program (and they all want to start in
VH>)?

We shout that there are not enough programs, then we feel sorry for the disks...

IG>>> Subject! /or do they have nothing to do with this? _original_ true
IG>>> does anyone have a codebuster demo? Does she have such problems? If not -
IG>>> all the blame is on DR/

Tuesday February 17 1998 20:40, Valerij Kozhevnikov wrote to Artem Kharitonov:

VK> Binary Love. It doesn’t fit into anything, even if you crack it. I launched it from everywhere -
VK> and on everything, from a screw and from a floppy drive - no way.
VK> I downloaded from three different bbs, took floppy disks from friends - the same.
VK> The first part is fine, then after the picture is showered -
VK> with white fragments - it hangs tightly with a blinking border,
VK> by sort of like with LOAD "" in BASIC. I climb into the shadows and see: the processor
VK> is spinning in the area #5b10...#5b20 in an endless loop JR on
VK> twenty bytes ago...
VK> There is no such thing there by chance:
VK> LD (ERRSP), address
VK> RST #8

VK> Scorp has #0008 - the point of calling BIOS macro functions, on it vi-
VK> sit several times. dozens of different functions, so you need to be careful with this.
VK> And you want to look at the demo Hotz...

Hmmm... The demo was written on a scorpion, only fixed on the Pentagon.
They didn’t test it on such “sophisticated” machines as yours.
Try it with your friends.

EM> Ooty-way, as I said... Adult, damn it...

Don’t mock me, plz. Otherwise, you can remember the old Icelandic saga: “The little horse plows deeper.”

cYa, aR7Y/dR/FW · · · · · · Email: ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · · · · ·

Tuesday February 17 1998 16:23, Igor Gruzdev wrote to Sergei Novikov:

IG> Should there simply be respect for the recipients? To be honest, before throwing
IG> (it was a long time ago), I thoroughly try to check on the emulators
IG> available to me, scorpion and so on.

Remember! I NEVER throw things that I know are not working!

cYa, aR7Y/dR/FW · · · ··· Email: ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · · · · ·

VM>> Insanity :)

IG> Nope, not insanity. Worse. The lameness of software writers. :(

You don’t have to say that. They don’t owe you anything. CBS is not lame, far from it!

cYa, aR7Y/dR/FW · · · ··· Email: ar...@telecom.nov.ru ··· · · ·

Thursday February 19 1998 01:29, Vyacheslav Mednonogov wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AH>> ________ ____ Some will ask why I defend the DR side, but because
AH>> I am familiar with what was written above. When someone in vain
AH>> starts, out of nothing to do or just to show off, to attack
AH>> those who are doing something.

VM> But on the other hand, if Artyom] VM> that it was difficult for him in .diz or read.me insert a small line "The VM must be placed first on the disk" :-?

To be honest, I just screwed up (forgot). Sorry everyone.
Good rule - throw everything new/big into the new trd and test in emuls!

cYa, aR7Y/dR/FW · · · ··· Email: ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · · · · ·

AH>> I consider it my duty to refute unfounded attacks. Since the matter
AH>> concerns not me alone, but the whole team...

IG> It’s tense specifically. Honestly. In any case, there were insults. Direct.
IG> The so-called 'personal attack'. From your side. It’s not the business of defending one’s point of view using such
IG> methods. All the more faithful. Well, I’m not touchy.

Me neither =)
Although I certainly understand the indignation. I didn't get in there. I mean on the wrong Wednesday.
I thought the speccy scene was at least a little present in the echo, it turned out that real
sceners could be counted on one hand... It’s a pity. Apparently he was converted in Western
c64 circles... It happens.

IG> And now actually:

IG> I publicly apologize to Digital Reality and Artem Kharitonov personally, for
IG> open hostility towards this group, which appeared due to non-obvious
IG> requirements for launching a demo from Code Busters (Eye Ache 2), which was
IG> echoed by zx.spectrum in uue format. I hope for mutual understanding.

Okz, accepted =) All problems, I hope, have been resolved.
For my part, I offer similar apologies if I personally offended IG or other
ehi subscribers!

cYa, aR7Y/dR/FW · · · ··· Email: ar...@telecom.nov.ru ··· · · ·

EM> And for whom? For ourselves? For morons who don't have the intelligence
EM> to work with other programs?

For example? =))) I am not at all embarrassed by the fact that I am not a programmer, even
on the contrary. This is largely menial work, although it is also creative.
If most people don’t like it, well... SORRY, but we will do what
WHAT WE LIKE!
And we will post for people who need it! Since many cannot get it from other sources and, most importantly, they need and like it!

AH>> most of my work is not professional programmers (no offense
AH>> soft maker'am), then glitches are quite acceptable. Yes, by the way, and not only
AH>> on Spec.

EM> Well, the question is debatable... For example (as a professional programmer
EM> ;))), I think that glitches are unacceptable and they must be fought by hook
EM> and by hook.

Any program has at least one bug is an axiom.

AH>> Some will ask why I defend the DR side, but because I am familiar
AH>> with what was written above. When someone starts in vain, out of nothing
AH>> to do or just to show off, to attack those who
AH>> are doing something.

*** Answering a msg posted in area MY_MAIL (MY_MAIL).

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Sergei!

Fri Feb 20, 1998, Sergei Novikov squeezed his keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene Malkov
Release a cool magazine - this is not selling you a CD with CV ;)

But “cool” no one needs it, they need a GOOD one!

EM> Come on, write. Just don’t forget that, as far as I remember, Igor
EM> has a higher technical education related to computers...
EM> Well, explain to us the topic of the “hierarchy of the stage”... And about the “methods of presenting
EM> text”, at the same time. And then, it’s clear that my knowledge in this area, obtained during
EM> passing normative control during the development of a diploma, has long been

EM> By the way, from this “heap of magazines” you can cross out one point -
EM> OBERON. As far as I remember, it is movable.

What was it there? You've already started to get a little crazy! ;-)

AH> There is no need to say that. They don't owe you anything. CBS is not lame, far from it
AH> no!

I didn’t mean boosters specifically. In general. By the way, I give you an idea: write
programs in such a way that they can only be launched from route 12 of sector 7
. And not by sector, plus or minus.

EM>> it’s just that since then the corresponding articles of GOSTs have changed?
AH> Well, you just don’t need to “shine” your diploma, there are many such experts
AH> with diplomas who don’t know anything after university, so the diploma doesn’t mean anything. And by the way, if I write the text upside down in my program, then
AH> I will violate GOST?
:)))))))) And if you drive into the oncoming lane, you will break
driving rules?
AH> But no, because... in my author's product I am free to do
AH> whatever I want.
“Anything you want” only in two cases:
1) Either you are making this program for yourself (that is, you will not show it to anyone)
2) Or you don’t even respect yourself as a programmer...
But “not whatever you want” is really free.
(By the way, regarding “flashing with a diploma” - are you aware that there are at least 2 standards for the design of software products - IBM and Microsoft?
Not in the know? Well, I’m glad to tell you this... ;)) )
AH> And DR, by the way, didn’t violate anything, because the necessary information on
AH> unpacking the demo was contained in accordance with GOST, and the rest of the inscriptions -
AH> are ARTY right, because he ran the demo and it doesn't affect the program's performance in any way. Yes, and I would like to look at the GOST standards developed for writing
AH> prog underSpeccy (exactly for him).
You should ask Artie... Well, he said it (and you bravely
skip) - “the inscriptions were made according to the norms...” and “I’ll have to write an article where
I’ll tell...”

[.....]

IG> Uh-uh... You're probably confusing me with someone. I'm just a radio technician.
IG> Technical school. And I have nothing to do with computers at all. (officially, in the
IG> sense of crusts).
Eeeeeee... Yes... I blurted this out... :(((((((
Well, okay, but in St. Petersburg, in addition to Mednonogov, you have a computer specialist.
I remember that for sure. ;))

AH> This is of course good, but not everyone can fix all the glitches, especially on the
AH> spec, because... Most projects are not funded and coders, in principle, don’t care, the only obstacle is their or the group’s prestige. But if
AH> let's say there was really something like SOS, then after people paid money
AH> and got glitchy, they would stop buying other products of this group.
What, before SOS there were no “offices” involved in the distribution of
branded programs? And the same Inforcom? There are even a bunch of programs that say “special for Inforkom”... So what? People read the advertisement, paid money, and received either a buggy program or a program somewhat far from advertising... And for a long time everyone either pretended that everything was normal, or tried to theoretically justify such a “service”. (By the way, you tried to do the same thing.)

AH> Then the creators would spend many hours in beta testing and bug fixing.
I would believe you if the “founder” of SOS was not the person who
a year ago proved to me until I was hoarse that “the organization of service support, etc. will lead to a sharp increase in cost "... A person who was part of a group that two years ago was offered to create a section in their magazine in which they would dealissues of testing and feedback from the
authors...
And how will SOS differ in this sense from the same IFC? IMHO, only
one thing is that it is known in advance that the author has a fidosh or zxnet address.
That's all. There are no more differences in the approach to software quality.

Peace unto you, _Artem_!

21 Feb 98 Artem Haritonov write to Igor Gruzdev about "these #$" Digital
Reality... :-E":

AH> Don't say that. They don't owe you anything. CBS is not lame, far from it
AH> no!

If we assume that CBS is RST7, then you are absolutely right. I am for Iwamoto not
sure...

AH> If you're tired - forget it.
:)))))))))))
No offense to you, but you noticed that the more a person
feels like “the elite of the spectrum”, the more often he says: “if you don’t like my speeches -
unsubscribe; if you don’t like my programs - forget it” ? Those. his “creativity” on
Spectrum is becoming more and more self-contained.

AH> There is no need to say that. They don't owe you anything. CBS is not a lamer, far from it
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm afraid you are wandering in the labyrinths of your own ignorance. Remember once and
forever: _THEY_ _OBLIGATED_. They are OBLIGED TO MAKE A GOOD PROGRAM if they start!
But if they don’t do it, then it’s a different matter. And if they approach with
the philosophy “I’m making this program for you, but I don’t owe anything to anyone,” then... well, you understand what it’s called.

SN>>> So? Rarerelease or CodeBusters, “delivered” by Arty.
EM>> And the set of “delivery” services includes such a cool design?
EM>> If yes, then I’ll shut up... If not, then shut up _TY_.

EM>> are outdated... Or have the corresponding articles of GOSTs
EM>> simply changed since then?
AB> In my opinion, you have re-read SU.SCIENCE ;-) Give it up
Rather, I sat out at the institute... I should have run away from the first year, but I,
here, have “worked away” for all five years. Now there’s a lot of knowledge... I’m asking for it...
;)))

EM>> passing standard control during the development of a diploma has long been outdated...
EM>> Or
EM>> the relevant articles of GOST have simply changed since then?

AH> Zhenya??? What kind of guests? Do artists also paint according to GOST standards? Or do musicians
AH> write music like that? This is creativity!
Have you read Dijkstra or Jordain? "If doctors treated their patients the way programmers do their programs..." (C) Jordain. But, I'm afraid, you don't even
know who they are... If you knew, you wouldn't say that...
(No, well, you said it so well: “programming is creativity.” I'm afraid,
truth, old Jordayn is having a lot of hiccups now. He always said that
“programming is first of all science.")

AH> What cliches could there be? Stop poking my nose at the rotten pro-Soviet bureaucracy!
[no words, only emotions...] Yes, do what you want, only then don’t
prove with foam at the mouth that this is “according to all the rules”...
GOSTs, what kind are you talking about? “Pro-Soviet bureaucracy,” you say? Have you ever read at least one book on programming theory?
For example, the same Dijkstra? Jordaina? No? Then don’t undertake to assert anything, you are “not very good” in these matters. Are you aware that even the so-called “ladder” is indented for visual purposes?structuring of the program - and those
normalized so that the listing of the program would be readable? Do you know what variable prefixes are accepted in C? What about the “unspoken rule about the
GO TO operator”?

SN>>> Well, why... Pirates, Fire Gear (?), ZH-demo, Plutonia-demo, a bunch of
SN>>> magazines... Enough.
EM>> By the way, from this “heap of magazines” you can cross out one point -
EM>> OBERON. As far as I remember, it is movable.

And they say that it takes exactly 2544 seconds (4th number) and it has
simply nowhere to move :)

Warm greetings, Slava!

EM> “Anything you want” only in two cases:
EM> 1) Either you are making this program for yourself (that is, you will not show it to anyone
EM>) 2) Or you really don’t even respect yourself as a programmer...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well this no one except me knows
EM> But “not everything” is really free.
EM> (By the way, regarding “flashing with a diploma” - are you aware that
EM> there are at least 2 standards for the design of software products
EM> - IBM and Microsoft? Not aware ? Well, I’m glad to tell you this...
EM> ;)) )
You know, the only thing I’ll tell you is:
1) RELAX, JOY!!!!
2) YOU are free to design your programs as you wish, but WE (*OHG*), as long as we are on
Speccy, will not make programs in accordance with IBM standards and Microsoft, and
guided by my personal experience and the wishes (not attacks!) of others. And no one
will have the right to prohibit us from doing this. I think the majority will agree with me.

AH>> fixing.
EM> I would have believed you if the “founder” of SOS had not been the person
EM> who a year ago proved to me until I was hoarse that “the organization of service
EM> support, etc., will lead to a sharp increase in cost”... A person
EM> who was part of a group that two years ago proposed to create a
EM> section in their magazine, in
EM> in which they would deal with issues of testing and feedback with
EM> authors...
EM> And how will SOS differ in this sense from the same IFC? IMHO
EM> there is only one thing - it is known in advance that the author has a fidosh or
EM> zxnet address. All. There are no more differences in the approach to quality
EM> software.
I explain: I really don’t care if it’s SOS or Inforcom or DR, here this
organization simply plays the role of a trader who pays the author real money
for his project. But if this project was released by an author with a tarnished reputation, then
he risks being left without his head. For this purpose, in principle, authors should try to produce high-quality software. But in the absence of such a “trader”, the author, as I already wrote, is not as important about quality as it is important to release it to the masses, because anyway
he won't get anything. Is it clear???

AH>> world standards.
EM> What about “world standards”???!!! Have you already forgotten that I have been working with these same “world standards” for more than a year? Although... Yes, you
EM> are right. What you described are truly world standards, only
EM> rather “world standards of lameness.”
Ta-ta-ta...Why don’t you like them? It was done beautifully (if we talk about
pseudo-graphics) and tastefully. You can even read them.
And regarding iNFO ouTTa Arty for EA2: “Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth” (c)
Folk wisdom. This is _free_ware! ARty shot a demo here - everyone knows that he shot it, the demo was written by CB, the demo is from E97. All this can be read - what are the troubles then?
EM> Better throw me the “official info files” of such programs as
EM> MS-Office, C++ (all sorts of companies), etc. From games - some kind of MDK,
EM> Warcraft-2, KKND, and so on.
Since when did Microsoft start releasing freeware?
<- With best regardz,Pavel ->

ZX - The Power of Shock (c) Pol Freeman

AH> You know, the only thing I’ll tell you is:
AH> 1) RELAX WIFE!!!!
Thank you for your kind words. :)))
AH> 2) YOU are free to design your programs as you wish, but WE (*OHG*), as long as we are
AH> on Speccy, will make programs not in accordance with IBM and
AH> Microsoft standards, but guided by our personal experience and wishes (not attacks!)
AH> others.
So it’s not about “you can or you can’t”, but about "Can you then
say that you did everything 'according to the standard'." And can you then
call all the scum lamers because they tell you that your
design is mmmm... dumb? I say you can’t, you and Artie can.
AH> And no one will have the right to prohibit us from doing this. I think the majority will agree with me
AH>.
“Most” who? Spectrumists? Yes. I have always said that Spectrumists are an anomalous people who love to go “against the whole world.” "The whole
world somehow standardizes its programs? Nonsense. The whole world is not our decree, we
will do as we want."
Most programmers? Ask them yourself if you don’t trust me.

AH> I explain: I don’t care if it’s SOS or Inforcom or DR, here this
AH> organization simply plays the role of a trader who pays the author real
AH> money for his project.
Have you tried contacting Zonov? To Logross? To traders in
our own city. They will pay you too.
AH> But if this project was released by an author with a tarnished reputation, then he
AH> runs the risk of being left without a head.
And where does this “tarnished reputation” come from?
(For example, from your point of view, my reputation is tarnished? And what:
bad programs or “objectionable speeches”? (My ZX-WinWord v2.1 saw
S-TERMINAL v0.1? Our Oberons (especially Oberon-4), which the same Novikov so persistently mmmm... uh... spits before this very "soaking" by the author?). will “warm up” the users very well.
So, think about it, isn’t it easier to first establish a mechanism for testing
programs and feedback with the authors? (Again, I’ve been talking about this for
two years).

AH> For this, in principle, the authors and
AH> should try to release high-quality software. in the absence of such
AH> "trader", as I already wrote, the quality is not as important as it is
AH> to be released to the masses, because anyway he will not receive anything. Lost, understandable???
No, it’s not clear. There was already such a trader. So what?

[.....]

Once upon a time, specifically Friday February 27, 1998 at 03:35 pm Pavel Nikonov
wrote by Evgeny Milun:

EM>> Although... Yes, you're right. What you described are truly world
EM>> standards, only more likely “world standards of lameness.”
PN> Ta-ta-ta...Why don’t you like them? It's done beautifully (if we're talking
PN> about pseudo-graphics) and tastefully done.

imho it's just disgustingly done. And it’s _very_ difficult to read.

PN> You can even read them.

“even” :) and this is a comment file :(

PN> And regarding iNFO ouTTa Arty for EA2: “Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth
PN>” (c) Folk wisdom. This is _free_ware! ARty shot here
PN> demo - that’s it they know that he pulled, the demo was written by CB, the demo is from E97. All
PN> it can be

[with great difficulty]

PN> what is the trouble then?

AH> Any program has at least one bug - an axiom.
Nope, this is only the first part of the axiom.
"... which is discovered only a year after the start of operation."

VM> And they say that it takes exactly 2544 seconds (4th number) and it simply has nowhere to move
VM> :)
Evil tongues. :)) The magazine itself occupies 1738 sectors. Everything else is an application. Although, of course, the disk is filled with “just what I don’t want.”

EM>> right. What you described are truly world standards, only
EM>> rather “world standards of lameness.”
PN> Ta-ta-ta...Why don’t you like them? It was done beautifully (if we talk about
PN> pseudographics) and tastefully.
Mmmmm... It looks like you and I have somewhat different ideas about beauty and
taste.
PN> You can even read them. And regarding iNFO ouTTa Arty for EA2:
PN> “Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth” (c) Folk wisdom.
“Programs are made for users” (C) Computer wisdom.
PN> This is _free_ware!
Seriously?! And what follows from this? I see absolutely no connection
between the condition for distributing the program and its design.

Friday February 27, 1998 right at 16:27, Evgeny Milun wrote to Andy Harchenko:

EM> Before this very “soaking”, the author will very well “warm up”
EM> users.
EM> So, think about it, wouldn’t it be easier to first establish a testing mechanism
EM> programs and feedback from authors? (Again, I’ve been talking about this
EM> for two years now).
In order not to pollute the echo with our “showdowns,” I’m stopping this flame (I think
many will approve of me ;). But I’ll tell you personally that I personally remain unconvinced by my opinion, and you
seem to be of yours, let me bow to that ;)

PN>> talk about pseudographics) and tastefully.
TY> imho it’s just disgustingly done.
Well... not everything is so bad....for example, the PreStiGe logo on SPECCY - done
pleasantly (although no one will force you to look at it).
TY> And reading something is very _very_
TY> difficult.
Why read them? -:). You need to launch Warez and play/watch/work.
And if you want to contact the authors/hackers, then you will have to get creative,
reading the words backwards and from bottom to top...

EM> Mmmmm... It looks like you and I have somewhat different ideas about
EM> beauty and taste.
Don't worry - I won't hang this on the wall...
PN>> You can even read them. And regarding iNFO ouTTa Arty for EA2:
PN>> “Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth” (c) Folk wisdom.
EM> “Programs are made for users” (C) Computer wisdom.
Well, not for yourself -;)
Most users won’t even look at what Arty wrote...
And reals don’t do that at all they'll see.
Don't tell me that you couldn't read it yourself - I won't believe it...
PN>> This is _free_ware!
EM> Seriously?! And what follows from this? I see absolutely no
EM> connection between the condition for distributing the program and its design.
Specifically: the conditions are free (freeware!). The design is quite readable (for me
it is perfectly readable). I don’t see any problems...And everyone has their own opinion...Thank you for
your attention.

AH>> guest if she is mine!
EM> Here it is written even more clearly:
EM> SHE IS CONSIDERED AS YOURS ONLY UNTIL YOU STARTED TO DISTRIBUTE IT. Next, please, look at it from the user's point of view...

DISTRIBUTE FOR MONEY AND WITH AN APPROPRIATE WARRANTY FOR THE PRODUCT.

The product is distributed free of charge, moreover someone else's, and "AS IS".
You do not have any right to demand anything from the distributor.

With the distributor respect
┬ ┬┌┐┬┐ ┐┬┬
╨╜╨╙╜╨╙ ╨ ╨

PN> Well, not for myself -;)
PN> Most users won’t even look at what Arty wrote...
PN> And the reals won’t see it at all.
That’s where we had to start - “anyway, no one pays attention to this rubbish.” ;))
PN> Don’t tell me that you couldn’t read it yourself - I won’t believe it...
I could. But... You know, it’s one thing to “be able to read”, and another thing to just
“read”. The first implies the application of greater effort than the second...

AH> In order not to pollute the echo with our “showdowns,” I’m stopping this flame (I think
AH> many will approve of me ;).
Have you already seen the flame here? But it seems to me that this is just an ordinary discussion.
Or, monsieur doesn’t like dissent so much that he considers any discussion
a flame? ;)). mmm... sewage and
stepping on the same mops that no one else has stepped on for a long time...
AH> Wiz zE BeSt WisHeZ 2 U!
Wow. WRITING WORDS THIS WAY DOESN'T NEED A LOT OF TALENT. JUST AS AND LIKE THIS.
IN ONE WORD - EVERYONE CAN LIKE THIS. ;)))

EM> :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
EM> Yes, apparently the spektrumists were brainwashed too well...
Who/what washed them?
PS. It so happened that I saw message outta AH(there’s just about this very
opinion...)

PN> Well...not everything is so bad....for example, the PreStiGe logo on SPECCY - it was done
PN> nicely (although no one will force you to look at it).

afaik the prestige logo was pulled from the Amiga releases of a Western group
with the same name. like the name itself. I don’t know why and why
people use other people’s ideas (there are many examples), but this is so...

Good Luck...

... A couple of Pentiums is all you need - to do a good grilled steak.

PN> Who/what washed it?
Yes, it’s clear you are completely behind the times. ;)))))) Come to the book market sometime.

PN> PS. It so happened that I saw message outta AH (there’s just about this very
PN> opinion...)
What? About "flushing"? Or about “the whole world is not our decree”?