Once again about network trading.
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Hi, All!
2Moderator: Sorry for being offtopic
Still, I would like to speak about the SOS project and related problems. Regarding traders. Regarding the authors. Colossal About network “protection” There will be no protection as such! But each N-version will be marked in a special way. And youyou will be tormented by erasing our notes :) With respect, Andrey Savichev / CGS, co-moderator of relcom.comp.speccy P.S:
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They unanimously “received with hostility” the idea of trading by networks.
That’s understandable. It is impossible to write network versions (by the way, many have the wrong perception here,
the network version is not a version of the game designed for playing over the network, it is a version
distributed on the network and prohibited from being transferred to disks for the purpose of extracting
commercial benefits, so as not to confuse them further, I propose to call it the
N-version) on disks is not allowed, and therefore traders don’t give a damn about them.
I was thinking a little about our traders better than they actually are ;)
The N-VERSION of any product should “warm up public interest” in the full
commercial version. This is thanks to Slava for his “demos” of the CV, they actually
(especially the 5th version) seemed to be the prototype of the N-versions.
(What did you think, I’m taking ideas out of thin air? ;) No, gentlemen, all the ideas are around
us, in practice, in network practice, if you will)
All traders suffer because there are no super-class soft makers Spectrum
today "one or two and miscalculated." Why should they start? From dampness?
Well, okay, Slava is lucky, he’s still inlives in the capital, and just imagine the situation: another such Slava is located somewhere in Torzhok or Ulan-Ude?
Russia is great and there are no roads or connections everywhere! :(
In my opinion, everything is clear with this and traders should not put any more spokes in the wheels!
And it is pointless: sooner or later, NETWORK SOFTWARE TRADING will still happen!
Just like trading compacts!
I will also say about traders and pirates. Victory can only be economic and
no other! Establish closer connections with the authors and benefit
from this!
It is you, not Slava, who must collect absolutely all the information about who can
do something interesting for the Spectrum, which today or tomorrow will become
your product!
And you, spoiled by Inforcom (or rather paralyzed in the recent past
by its monopoly), are somehow “lifeless” ;)
There are also attempts to revive a new monopoly on the part of individual personalities,
I will not name names and so it is clear to everyone!
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opportunities are opening up for new names and “young” (and young) groups. And you don’t need to look for sponsors or go to someone’s “bondage”.
Today you made a demo, tomorrow the N-version, the day after tomorrow you bought a CD-recorder and
you write your own compacts.
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Since the program itself will not contact these bits!
And looking for a “needle in a haystack” - well, if there is nothing else to do -
“forward to the victory of communism!” :)
I have heard from many people that they are annoyed by bazaars on this topic.
Then you can leave here. But the idea must be taken to its logical conclusion
and turned into a mechanism functioning for the benefit of the Spectrum!
I am ready for a constructive discussion of this problem in soap or on
relcom.comp.speccy
I also propose to publish digests of new products that are completed by at least
90% in the following categories: demo version, N-version.
It is advisable to indicate: name, type Software (for games - type of game),
coordinates of the authors, release date, version number, estimated cost
(for the N-version and preferably from $200 to $1000)
It is also advisable (if you are not V. Mednonogov) to make a demo version first:
this can be 1 level (if the game is multi-level) or several levels
in automatic scrolling mode. In general, what is there to say for a long time?
What a demo version is is intuitively clear to everyone.
Scenarios for future games (or novellas or ideas) are also accepted.
I also propose opening a network exchange for creatingN-versions.
After all, it is clear that if you have a chance to get $200-$1000, then you can
divide this money among yourself somehow ;)
Hello Andrew !
Thursday February 12 1998 09:58, Andrew Savichev ─── All:
AS> Regarding the authors.
AS> - ---
AS> Enormous
AS> opportunities are opening up for new names and “young” (and young) groups. And you don’t have to look for sponsors or go to someone’s “bondage”.
AS> Today you made a demo, tomorrow the N-version, the day after tomorrow you bought a CD-recorder and
AS> you write your own compacts .
Right? Well, let’s say I want to distribute my soaper in a similar way.
Where and how to make an “application”. What kind of “fee” and when can I expect?
Who will determine this? How will the fact that not everyone needs a soaper (and just modem software) be taken into account, even if I make a TCP/IP
stack? What are my responsibilities/rights as the author of distributed programs?
As an ordinary “taxpayer”? What are the appeal procedures for any issues? How, when, where and by whom will reports “for
taxpayers” on spent funds be posted? And there are many more “how”
“who”...
The answers to these questions should be in the _CHARTER_ of this "association for the salvation
of the fatherland". And considering that neither the charter nor anything like that is planned at all... “With all these democracies, this project will completely fail” -
almost verbatim(C) Novikov.
Or is everyone here, and in particular the “mastermind” of this idea - Sergei Novikov,
forgot that we are talking about a project, thanks to which people will receive PROFIT,
and according to the assurances of Mr. Sergei Novikov - SIGNIFICANT PROFIT. For many, this will
be
>_ONLY_ _AND_ _MAIN_ _SOURCE_ _EARNING_!!!!!!
And what will be the relationship of this “association” with the state? Tax
inspectorate? Just like now with magazines - semi-underground? Or, Mr. Novikov (as far as I know, still studying in one of the secondary schools of our glorious capital) has not yet understood that where there is a smell of money, everything should ALWAYS be strictly regulated? Or does he simply not yet know how and
why the “MMM effect” became possible? And it’s not for nothing that there is a saying -
“power and big money corrupt even the most persistent person”...
Or maybe he hasn’t yet encountered domestic taxation?
(Sorry, if it’s emotional, but Andrey, it’s one thing to read “thoughts in support of
SOS” from Novikov, who looks at this as just another “hobby”, and the other thing is from you... It’s understandable, but you... When you start to provide some economic justification for this scam...)
AS> About network “protection” AS> Sincerely, Andrey Savichev / CGS, co-moderator relcom.comp.speccy AS> P.S: P.S. Once again, sorry for being emotional... Good luck! Evgeny. ■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.
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AS> There will be no protection as such! But every N-version willmarked in a special
AS> way. And you will be tired of erasing our notes :)
For example? How can you “tag” it? Place certain bytes in certain places? What programs will do this? How, where, (etc.)
will a database of these marks and the legal owners of the marked copies be maintained...
Why mark them at all if the programs will be distributed _ONLY_
through the network?
AS> Since the program itself will not access these bits!
AS> And to look for a “needle in a haystack” - well, if there is nothing else to do -
AS> "forward to the victory of communism!" :)
WHY is all this for??????!!!!!! Are there not enough “foreign” bureaucrats for us? Now we also need to make our own, Spectrum ones? Well, what's the point of knowing that the version of the game "Qwerty" sold in WilAriba is marked with ? Will you be able to find the “offender” and PROVE his guilt? What then? Departure of the "team"? Or, as the Lord Sergei Novikov suggested here - “the programs ...
will not be distributed, and they will remain unknown and will not be able
to write anything worthwhile for the Spectrum”? And who and to whom generally gave the right
to define what the phrase “for the good of the Spectrum” means? Once in our history this has already happened - “
revolution". Maybe it’s no longer necessary?
AS> I heard from many people that they are annoyed by bazaars on this topic.
AS> Then you can leave here. But the idea must be taken to its logical conclusion
AS> and turned into a functioning the benefit of the Spectrum mechanism!
Yes, it cannot function, it cannot... Moreover, “for the benefit of the Spectrum”... All this is one big game of “adult funds”. infrastructure of legal dealers and some
technical support services, they again offer to “all en masse support the
authors with rubles”...
With the past such “action of support for the authors” several “Moscow
comrades” warmed up their hands very well on this buyers
all sorts of bullshit... And a bunch of creators, having turned out to be "supported", for some reason the same
were obscured, and we never heard from them again... We probably followed your
advice - bought ourselves a CD-recorder and began to "write our own
compacts"... And here we are still sorting out the glitches in their programs...