*ENLiGHT'97 - official comments - past/present/future*

Sep 17 Sep 1997 02:13, Igor Gruzdev wrote to Alex Mikhailov:

AM>> and WHO will hold Enlight in Moscow? Novikov?

IG> To the one who takes it. Just a small clarification - this
IG> will no longer be Inlight by definition.

What is true is true. ENLIGHT is a name invented by the organizers and
only they have the right to use it.

But nothing prevents you from holding a similar festival in any city with a different name
. And in vain Arno thinks that it will be worse or fewer people will come...

IG> Igor.

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

Peace unto you, _Alex_!

16 Sep 97 Alex Mikhailov write to Sergei Novikov about "*ENLiGHT'97 - official
comments - past/present/future*":

SN>> Antiofftopic: well, are we going to do E98 in Moscow?

AM> Enlight 98 is possible only in St. Petersburg. and if it happens,
AM> then only with us.

y! You've already failed, let others try.
If Codetripper organizes Enlight again, I won't go.
I vote for Moscow!

With best wishes, [ZX_Power Team]
Dr.Squizer. [Power_ZX Team]

... Don't try to understand me... You never will!

SN> :-E I’m not going to... There are already a lot of people in Moscow who can cope with
SN> this no worse than the St. Petersburgers did.

Who, for example? Do you think it’s so easy to find sponsors, premises, security, to get people from other cities to agree to come, to take responsibility for the equipment, etc? and then you organize it - and you get, for example, multi-million dollar hemorrhoids for broken windows and monitors. from all this the organizer will not receive a penny and, on the contrary, perhaps he will also add his own money. and then he will be cheated all over the country
for “unsuccessful organization”, they say “we will make it cooler or at least no worse.” well, do it.

Best wishes, Arno from Omega group.

Mon 22 Sep 1997 13:05, Alex Mikhailov wrote to Alexey Ivanov:

AI>> And in general, we can agree to hold it every year in different
AI>> cities (like the Olympics are held). Why is this worse?

AM> We can agree, of course... but for
AM> in order to organize an “event” of such a scale,
AM> one agreement is not enough.

What scale?

Will the Spectrumists agree to hold their own festival separately?
In this version, the festival will be even larger for us.

Yours sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

SN> Sponsors, I think, is elementary. There are many large Russian companies in Moscow,
SN> which are not averse to becoming famous. But the Amiga... So there won't be an Amiga
SN> =)

Yeah, and as soon as they find out what awaits them, I think they will hide
in the corners at the last moment... And nothing will happen.

SN> It's not easy. But there is no other way out. Nobody will go to St. Petersburg.

The voice of the people, as always, right?

SN> If there is a sponsor, there will be fewer problems. In the meantime, we need to involve
SN> Moscow PC people in the case... Same Bytefall.

Well said... I wonder who will involve whom in the case? :))))

Good Luck...

... A better way to DoubleSpace your disk: DEL C:\WINDOWS\.

SN>> who will cope with this no worse than the people from St. Petersburg did.

AM> who, for example? Do you think it’s so easy to find sponsors,
AM> premises, security, to get people from other cities to agree
AM> to come, to take over

What difference does it make who? You are not the only one capable of organizing.

There is no need to turn a conflict into a squabble.

You say so as if you organized everything and no one
can do it except you. And people will just go anywhere. It is necessary to announce the location in advance, at least 3-4 months in advance, and not wait until the last minute.

AM> responsibility for the equipment, etc.? and then you organize -
AM> and you will receive, for example, multi-million dollar hemorrhoids for broken
AM> windows and monitors. from all this, the organizer will not receive a penny and even vice versa, perhaps he will also add his own money. and then he will be cheated all over the country
AM> for “unsuccessful organization”, they say “we will make it cooler or
AM> at least not worse.” well, do it.

Well, someone will do it, so why bother? Is it necessary more than anyone else?
Your statements look very provocative and indecently hypocritical.

We need to propose and solve the matter to everyone together, and not spit here.

ALL: Would you agree to hold _only the Spectrum_ competition?

Yours sincerely, AlexeyIvanov

MR> Глaс нaродa, кaк всегдa, дa?

Да :)

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AI> Well, someone will do that, why bother?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

this is funny. like: “a good uncle will do everything, you just need to announce the date in advance!”

AI> Do you need more than anyone else?

Why be rude? Was I rude to you?

AI> Your statements look very provocative
AI> and indecently hypocritical.

Why is that?

AI> We need to propose the matter and decide it all together, and not spit here.

and no one spits. and _the business of offering_ makes
sense only to the person(s) who will TAKE
to hold the demo party. but just chattering like that is a waste of
time.

AI> ALL: Would you agree to hold _only the Spectrum_ competition?

personally, yes.

AM> are we weaning ourselves from speaking for the whole people? ;)

If 10-15 people support me, then why can’t I speak on their behalf?
Or do you want to engage in empty squabbles with everyone?

AM> this is funny. like: “a good uncle will do everything, you just need
AM> to announce the date in advance!”

Well, I’m saying that a good uncle or uncles may already be doing it, they just don’t want
to chatter in vain ahead of time. There will be concrete results - there will be a detailed
conversation. If there are business proposals, then please, but there is no need to drive traffic in the echo.

AM> why be rude? Was I rude to you?

Yes, the whole manner of conversation is rude. View your correspondence for the month at
www.dejanews.com - if all your remarks in echoes are collected together, then you can
assign a master in creating resonant situations.

AM> ... and _the business of offering_ has
AM> meaning only to the person(s) who WILL undertake
AM> to hold a demo party. but to just chatter like that is a waste of time
AM>.

Here!!! I suggested and suggest that everyone express their wishes about holding the Party. That's why I'm writing here. That's when it will be seenwhatever the spektrumists
wish, then we must finally get down to organizing.

SN> For a large, Moscow, pisish company, a couple of bucks is not a problem. A
SN> that's enough. Some people pay more per day for advertising.

If it were all about a large company that has a lot of bucks..... Here everything
is more complicated :(. Code Ripper dedicated the introductory part of E'97 to this issue.
Do you think we don’t have such companies?

Peace unto you, _Alexey_!

19 Sep 97 Alexey Ivanov write to Igor Gruzdev about "*ENLiGHT'97 - official
comments - past/present/future*":

AI> But nothing prevents you from holding a similar festival in any city with a different name
AI>. And in vain Arno thinks that it will be worse or fewer people
AI> will come...

AI> And in general, we can agree and hold
AI> in different cities every year (like the Olympics are held). What's worse?

Good idea! St. Petersburg'97, Moscow'98, Kharkov'99! ;-)

AI> Don't measure yourself against others. People are already working on this issue and working
AI> silently. When there are results, then there will be a topic for discussion. And you

Good news. Especially with this approach.

AI> Here!!! I suggested and suggest that everyone express their wishes about
AI> holding the Party. That's why I'm writing here. When it becomes clear that the
AI spektrumists want, then we must finally get down to organizing.

We need at least 5-6 months to work. So by the end of winter, decide how the situation is there.

AI> If 10-15 people support me, then why can’t I speak on their behalf
AI>? Or do you want to engage in empty squabbles with everyone?

10-15 people are not “people”.