ELITE (problem starting) help!

Wednesday April 01 1998 12:06, Sergei Novikov ─── Vitaliy Prokhorenkov:

VP>> But the game does not start :( When LOAD "*ELITE3*" resets to BASIC 48 :(
VP>> E.SERVIC starts normal.

SN> Almost no emulator (except X128) can digest Titus's defense.
Ha, the "emulator" Scorpio, by the way, does the same... does not digest.
That's why we made our own version of ELITE-3 for the 2nd OBERON.

2 Dmitry Grigoriev: Come on, tell the people again what you wrote about our version in your newspaper? What complaints did you have about it? ;)

Good luck! Aria.

EM> Ha, “emulator”. Scorpio, by the way, does the same... doesn’t digest.
EM> That’s why we made our own version of ELITE-3 for the 2nd OBERON.

Guys! Somehow I ran a turbojet engine with ELITE3. It starts up, everywhere...

RomanRom2 [Team MAZDAI - RULES] [Team women - love]

Greetings to you Mr (Mrs) Sergei!

: I turned on the computer, I see Sergei Novikov communicating with Vitaliy Prokhorenkov (letter
dated Wednesday April 01, 1998), well, I decided to join the conversation:

SN>> œfi‘… Œ… œƒ…Œ ‹Õ’בœ“ (À“œÕ≈ X128) Œ≈ –≈“≈◊¡“…◊¡≈‘ ⁄¡›…‘’ Titus'a.

VP> · fi‘œ ‹‘œ ⁄¡ ‹Õ’בœp ‘¡Àœ ? ˛‘œ-‘œ — œ‘¡ÀœÕ Œ≈ ”߀¡Ã. È «ƒ≈ ≈«œ Õœ÷Œœ
VP> ƒœ”‘¡‘ÿ?

“œ◊≈“ÿ links Œ¡ i-connect.ru/~fatality.

PS: Ô∆…√…¡ÃÿŒœ ⁄¡—◊׿, fi‘œ ” ”≈«œƒŒ—€Œ≈«œ ƒŒ— — –“≈À“¡›¡¿ ◊Ÿ”ŸÃ¡‘ÿ ÕŸÃœÕ
À¡Àœ -Ã…¬œ ”œ∆‘, ¡ ”¡Õ… ⁄¡–“œ”Ÿ ¬’ƒ’ œ”‘¡◊בÿ ¬≈⁄ ◊Œ…Õ¡Œ…—. È”Àÿfi≈Œ…≈
”œ”‘¡◊׿‘ Ã…€ÿ Õœ… ƒ“’⁄ÿ—.

Spirit, PR-division

09 Apr 98 20:37, Spirit wrote to Vitaliy Prokhorenkov:

S> PS: I officially declare that from today I will stop
S> sending any software with soap, and I will ignore the requests themselves without
S> attention. The only exceptions are my friends.

Spectrum fans are these your friends? Or enemies? :))
Sincerely
┬ ┬┌┐┬┐ ┐┬┬
╨╜╨╙╜╨╙ ╨ ╨

VY> Spectrum fans are these your friends? Or enemies? :))
I would ask something else - “When did you send out software with soap”? :)))
As far as I remember, he repeatedly stated in the echo - “I don’t
send anything with soap to anyone.”

EM> I would ask something else - “When did you send out software with soap”? :)))
EM> As far as I remember, he repeatedly stated in the echo - “I don’t send anything with soap
EM> to anyone.”
It’s strange in my soap he repeatedly refuted this statement...
Maybe you and I have different soap? :))))

PS. Zhenya, I don’t understand, well, before you went to Inforcom, then to Spectrofon,
now to DR, what are you trying to achieve?

snpk Andy

16 Apr 98 13:13, Andrey Mihaylow wrote to Evgeny Milun:
[...]
AM> PS. Zhenya, I don’t understand, well, earlier you visited Inforkom, then on
AM> Spectrophone, now on DR, what are you trying to achieve?
Move, move, and leave ;)))
But in general, everyone has their own hobby, maybe a person likes to criticize...
;))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) AKA Olav

AM>> then to Spectrophone, now on DR, what are you trying to achieve?

OB> Move, move, and leave ;)))
OB> But in general, everyone has their own hobby, maybe a person likes
OB> to criticize... ;))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) phenomenon of the Spectrum world? ;)

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

19 Apr 98 20:00, Vladimir Yudin wrote to Alexey Ivanov:
[...]
AI>> ZX flame generator terrorist - a new phenomenon in the Spectrum
AI>> world? ;)
VY> Zhenya is a prosecutor, Spirit is a lawyer, we are all jurors. :))
That's it, now if they ask me, I will say that I have a lawyer friend...

2Spirit: ;)))))

Oleg AKA Olav

And the accused who? ;))

VY> Regards
VY> ┬ ┬┌┐┬┐ ┐┬┬
VY> ╨╜╨╙╜t U!
-=JoCkeR/Omega HaCkErS Grp/1998year=-

2AM:
(Why didn’t I see this message?????!!!!!!!!!)
What am I trying to achieve? Just a very small amount - so that some individuals don’t get carried away and declare themselves “the elite of the scene.” (For me personally, this elite includes only a couple of people so far, and almost all of them are from St. Petersburg.
And what is most interesting, they never say about themselves “I am the elite.”) Moreover,
they themselves are famous only for their coolly designed texts, smart reasonings in an echo with an assumed appearance of smartness and etc. etc.
Are you saying “you ran into Inforcom”? And how exactly and for what specifically, do you remember? That's right - on their advertising, and the quality of their programs (and I'm not the only one), and also about why they never developed a normal market infrastructure. And he not only visited, but also suggested some ways of development.
Forgot?
“I visited the Spectrophone.” Not to the Spectrophone, but to what was printed in it. And also, on... Okay, let's go, I'm tired of this already...
"Now on DR." Nope, not on DR, I didn’t guess right. Because:
1) Some people consider themselves entitled to talk with pathos about the “scene”, and explain to us “lamers” about how “all over the world” it is customary to design programs - in a cool
style, hacker font, etc. - although... okay, I won’t to be more specific.
I’ll just add that it’s coolThe font is everywhere, and first of all in Fido it is considered a sign of deceit, or more precisely, of “young fidoras”. (As Dmitry Zavalishin once said to such a cool smart guy: “Is it okay that I’m writing to you here
in my lame font?”) And it’s not my fault that most of the ardent
defenders of this SUPER cool STYLE sign as “/DR”.
2) It just so happens that DR has already “taken up” 5-6 (if not more) projects, but not a single one of them has been completed, despite the growing number of the group itself, “skillful leadership” (one must think, and skillful
parallelization of work), as well as the fact that promises for many of the project will soon begin to be fulfilled in a year or more... As I already wrote earlier, instead
this is followed by no less pompous statements that “work has begun.”
Yes, a lot more can be said. But is it worth it?

Wednesday April 22, 1998 right at 15:22, Evgeny Milun wrote to Alexey Ivanov:

EM> Well, I almost guessed right. This would be the case if I were a “simple ordinary
EM> gamer user,” and not the author. More correctly -
EM> "ZX-lamer suppressor-terrorist" :))
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow! Cool! Just be careful, otherwise you'll run over someone and that's it! AMBA! ;)

EM> Good luck! Evgeny.

AI>> ZX-∆Ã≈ Õœ«≈Œ≈“¡‘œ“-‘≈““œ“…”‘ - Œœ◊œ≈ —◊Ã≈Œ…≈ ”–≈À‘“’Õœ◊”Àœ«œ Õ…“¡? ;)

EM> H’, –œfi‘… ’«¡ƒ¡Ã. Ù¡À ¬ŸÃœ ¬Ÿ, ≈”Ã… ¬Ÿ — ¬ŸÃ "–pœ”‘ŸÕ p—ƒœ◊ŸÕ
EM> ¿⁄≈pœÕ- «≈ Õ≈pœÕ", ¡ Œ≈ ¡◊‘œpœÕ. ‚œÃ≈≈ –p¡◊…ÃÿŒœ -
EM> "ZX-áÕ≈pœƒ¡◊…‘≈Ãÿ-‘≈ppœp…”‘"
EM> :))

ÛÕ≈≈€ÿ”—? ˜ ⁄≈“À¡Ãœ ƒ¡◊Œœ ”Õœ‘“≈Ô—, fi‘œ Ù·Î ”≈¬— –≈“≈œ√≈Œ…◊¡≈€ÿ? Ô¬ŸÀŒœ◊≈ŒŒ¡—
Œ…fi≈«œ …⁄ ”≈¬— Œ≈ –“≈ƒ”‘¡◊׿›¡— –œ”“≈ƒ”‘◊≈ŒŒœ”‘ÿ, Œ…fi≈Õ Œ≈ –“…Õ≈fi¡‘≈ÃÿŒ¡—.
·’‘”¡ ƒ≈“, Œ≈ …Õ≈¿›…  ”œ¿⁄Œ…Àœ◊. Ï¿¬…‘≈Ãÿ ¬≈⁄Œ¡À¡⁄¡ŒŒœ –œŒ¡≈⁄÷¡‘ÿ Œ¡ ƒ“’«…»,
⁄Œ¡—, fi‘œ ”œ¬”‘◊≈ŒŒœÕ’ “≈ ‘…Œ«’ –“œ”‘œ ’÷≈ Œ≈À’ƒ¡ ”Œ…÷¡‘ÿ”— (-8% - €’‘À¡ Ã…?)

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

Spring is outside, Evgeny Milun and Alexey Ivanov were talking to each other o:

EM> 2AM:
EM> (Why didn’t I see this message?????!!!!!!!!!)
Send me the password for the session, you won’t see anything like this yet.

EM> What am I trying to achieve? Just a very little bit - so that some
EM> individuals do not bury themselves and declare themselves “the elite of the scene”.
What, should they wear a burqa and shout “we are lamers”, “we are lamers”?
It is their business to declare this. Whether they are considered as such is another matter.
You don’t.

EM> (Personally, for me, this elite currently only includes a couple of people,
EM> and almost all of them are from St. Petersburg.
EM> And what’s most interesting is that they never say about themselves “I
EM> are the elite.”) Moreover, they themselves are famous only for their cool
EM> designed texts, smart reasoning in an echo with
EM> pretending to look smart, etc. etc.
You are also famous among us.

EM> You say “you ran into Inforcom”? And how exactly and for what
EM> specifically, remember? That's right - on their advertising, and the quality of their
EM> programs (and I’m not the only one), and also about why they never
EM> developed a normal market infrastructure. And he not only visited, but also
EM> suggested some ways of development. Forgot?
Wake up, Zhenya, we are in Russia.
It’s easy to blame those who do at least something. Notif you like, create your own or write
if they didn’t respond, it’s their problem, you can eventually sue,
I also didn’t really like the company “Inforcom”, they didn’t pay us a penny for the posplayer
have you heard from me at least one bad word about them?
Now “Inforcom” is gone, did someone get killed?

EM> "I ran into the Spectrophone." Not on the Spectrophone, but on what was printed
EM> in it. And also, on... Okay, let's go, I'm tired of this already...
Yeah, your general insanity will immediately come up -
"pseudo8mb mode" (about IBM :)
"pseudo48k, is not 128k mode" (about Spectrum :)
we're not talking about amiga talked ;-)

EM> "Now on DR." Nope, not on DR, I didn’t guess right. On the fact that:
EM> 1) Some people consider themselves to have the right to talk with pathos about the “scene”, and
EM> explain to us “lamers”
You? I haven’t heard them call me a lamer, neither in the echo, nor on E’97.

EM> about how “all over the world” it is customary to design
EM> programs - in a cool style, a hacker font, etc. - although...
The DR group is excellent, from others.
Let’s put everyone in the same uniform with the sun, like we once did at school. What
will happen?

EM> 2) It just so happens that DR has already “tackled” 5-6 (if not more)
EM> projects, but none of them have been completed,despite
EM> the ever-growing number of the group itself, “skillful leadership” (you need
EM> to think, and skillful parallelization of work), as well as the fact that promises
EM> for many of the project will soon begin to be fulfilled in a year or more...
EM> As I wrote earlier, instead they are followed by no less pompous
EM> statements that “the work has begun.”
The fact that you pester them, will there be some kind of acceleration?

EM> Yes, a lot more can be said. But is it worth it?
"It is possible and worth it" (c) tampax seems to be ;-)

VY>> assessors. :))

AH> Who is the accused? ;))

And whoever comes to hand.. ;)

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

EM>> :))
S> Are you laughing? It’s been a long time since I looked in the mirror that you overestimate yourself SO?
S> Ordinary mediocrity that doesn’t represent anything, not
S> remarkable in anything.
Yep. Tell me about my glasses too. As far as I understand, you really liked them...
S> An outsider who has no allies.
I already told you once - it’s better not to have allies at all than to have
allies like... well, you understand.
S> A fan of picking on others with impunity, knowing that his own
S> rating simply has nowhere to go (-8% - is it a joke?)
You also forgot to add - “the author of programs that bring some
spectrum capabilities closer to the PC.”
(By the way, about the rating. Do you think I didn’t understand what your true
goal of your “popularity survey” was? Yes, that’s it. It was visible to the naked
eye. I can even guess who they are 2-3 people out of 26 who gave me
negative ratings...)

AI> And whoever comes to hand.. ;)
Whoa, and then they’ll come and crush you in a terroristic-pressive way! :)))

AI> Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

Wed Apr 22 1998 23:24, Andy Harchenko wrote to Evgeny Milun:
EM>> "ZX-lamer suppressor-terrorist" :))
AH> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow! Cool! Just be careful, otherwise you'll run over someone and that's it! AMBA! ;)
At least they won’t part ways with Novikov -:)
<- With Best ReGardZ foR U & oNlY...SeE yA L8r!
ViRtUal/+=SileNce CriOniX=+'98ADnch

EM> You also forgot to add - “the author of programs that bring some
EM> capabilities of the spectrum closer to the PC.”

You? 8) You don’t have to talk about your ZX-Winward. Although it “brings some of the capabilities of the Spectrum closer to the PC,” I prefer to write coursework in MS WORD 97. ;)

EM> (By the way, about the rating. Do you think I didn’t understand what your
EM> true goal was of your “popularity survey”?

I don’t think so, I’m sure you didn’t understand. In general, it was originally planned to include you
in the list not to include famous personalities - for evil... Then, after all, I decided to check what people think about you. The most interesting thing is that I (and only I) know who gave how much to whom, so I can judge your so-called qualities. ;)

EM> I can even guess who those 2-3 people out of 26 are who gave me
EM> negative ratings...)

Naive! The difference between your rating and the rating of your nearest neighbor
is as if half the people gave you negative points... And so it
is.

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

S> there is simply nowhere for your own rating to go down (-8% is a joke
S>?)

I would be ashamed to wave around the rating that I myself considered.

Sincerely
┬ ┬┌┐┬┐ ┐┬┬
╨╜╨╙╜╨╙ ╨ ╨

S>> ÛÕ≈≈€ÿ”—? ˜ ⁄≈“À¡Ãœ ƒ¡◊Œœ ”Õœ‘“≈Ô—, fi‘œ Ù·Î ”≈¬— –≈“≈œ√≈Œ…◊¡≈€ÿ?
S>> Ô¬ŸÀŒœ◊≈ŒŒ¡— Œ…fi≈«œ …⁄ ”≈¬— Œ≈ –“≈ƒ”‘¡◊׿›¡— –œ”“≈ƒ”‘◊≈ŒŒœ”‘ÿ,
S>> Œ…fi≈Õ Œ≈ –“…Õ≈fi¡‘≈ÃÿŒ¡—. ·’‘”¡ ƒ≈“, Œ≈ …Õ≈¿›…  ”œ¿⁄Œ…Àœ◊.
S>> Ï¿¬…‘≈Ãÿ ¬≈⁄Œ¡À¡⁄¡ŒŒœ –œŒ¡≈⁄÷¡‘ÿ Œ¡ ƒ“’«…», ⁄Œ¡—, fi‘œ
S>> ”œ¬”‘◊≈ŒŒœÕ’ “≈ ‘…Œ«’ –“œ”‘œ ’÷≈ Œ≈À’ƒ¡ ”Œ…÷¡‘ÿ”— (-8% - €’‘À¡
S>> Ã…?)

VY> œ”‘Ÿƒ…Ô— ¬Ÿ “¡⁄Õ¡»…◊¡‘ÿ “≈ ‘…Œ«œÕ, Àœ‘œ“Ÿ  ”¡Õ ÷≈ … ”fi…‘¡Ã.

Ìœ÷≈‘ ‘≈¬≈ ◊”≈ ¡ŒÀ≈‘Ÿ ◊Ÿ”á‘ÿ, fi‘œ¬Ÿ ‘Ÿ ◊”≈ ”¡Õ –¡“’ ƒŒ≈  –≈“≈”fi…‘Ÿ◊¡Ã? :[

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

AM> Wake up, Zhenya, we are in Russia.
Nope, wake up. Wake up, and read what I said about them... Wake up, and understand that no matter the country, the words “licensed distributor” mean a little more than a simple stall seller selling a pirated copy. Wake up and see that users don’t care whether they live in Russia
or not, they only care about the fact that having paid the IFC some money (often
a lot of money), they received a “hack job”.

AM> It’s easy to blame those who do at least something.
And you didn’t notice my words “suggested some solutions.” Do you want one of these? Have you ever tried to become an “IFK representative”? And I - yes.
It seems I already wrote in OBERON - the mechanism “regional representative of IFC”
in fact was “a reseller of programs from IFC, an intermediary between IFC and
user”, and, despite this, the final price was actually dictated by
IFK...
So, no need to talk about “who does at least something”... You can do it in different ways. And if you’re not confident in your abilities, then it’s better not to do it at all.

AM> If you don’t like it, create your own or
AM> write if they didn’t respond to their problem, you can end up filing a lawsuit, I
AM> also didn’t really like the Inforcom company, they didn’t pay us a penny for the posplayer, you heard fromDo I have at least one bad word about them?
Have you heard a lot of voices against IFC? In the same SPF? No? Then, read
one more time. And what's good about the fact that everyone knows, but prefers to remain silent? While some people “know, but defend”? Who benefits from this except
the wallet of the IFC itself? You ? To me ? To him ? There he is?

AM> Now there is no "Informcom", someone died?
Firstly, to regional traders (by the way, no matter what you think - I am not
a trader).

S> Are you? 8) You don’t have to talk about your ZX-Winward. Although it “brings
S> some of the capabilities of the Spectrum closer to the PC,” I prefer to write coursework in
S> MS WORD 97. ;)
So, who’s against it. These are the people who were defended by _you_ and Step, they said something about “a coursework on Profi”. I have always said the opposite.
Slightly paraphrasing the words that one of your current colleagues in the group said (although he said this about DOOM) - “we are not doing this for people like you, who sit on their Pentiums and only sometimes download emulators, we
do this for realists."
That's it? Or maybe you’ll also remember my S-Terminal and tosser? There, you can also say about them - “but I prefer to surf BBC in HypeTerminal”
and “but I prefer to get mail in FASTECH”, respectively.

AH> Wow, and then they’ll come and crush you in a terrorist-pressive way!
AH> :)))
Come on, I’m kind, sensitive and vulnerable at heart. :))
But seriously, I don’t attack people, but some of their actions/words/
programs, etc. It is human nature to make mistakes, today I did something right, tomorrow I did something wrong, the day after tomorrow I did something right again. If you yourself
realized your mistake, and/or didn’t start flaming with the one who pointed it out, honor
to you and praise. And if, nevertheless, he began to flame and resist... We will get what
we now have with Novikov...

P.S. I became philosophical about someone today. :))

EM> Didn’t you notice my words “suggested some solutions.”
EM> Do you want one of these? Have you ever tried to become an “IFK representative”
EM>? And I do. It seems I already wrote in OBERON - the mechanism “regional
EM> representative of the IFC”, in fact it was “a reseller of programs from the IFC,
EM> an intermediary between the IFC and the user,” and, despite this,
EM> the final price was actually dictated by the IFC...
EM> So, no need to talk about “who does at least something”... You can do it in different ways. And if you’re not confident in your abilities, then it’s better not to
EM> do it at all.
“Old songs about the main thing” especially for conference subscribers.
It’s easy to shout after someone who has already left.

EM> Have you heard a lot of voices against IFC? In the same SPF? No?
EM> Then, read it again. And what's good about the fact that everyone knows, but prefer to remain silent? While some people “know, but protect”
EM>? Who benefits from this except the wallet of the IFC itself? You ? To me ? Him ?
EM> Hey ?
My opinion, it’s better this way than nothing at all.

The only lamer here is you... Masachism???

AM> Eh, Samara is a town..

It’s my fault...

Tracking the statistics of letters, you can easily understand that all attacks on personalities
begin by Mr. Page Milun E., draw your conclusions - gentlemen...

PS: fuck da lamerZ - make ya choise...

cYa, aR7Y/dR/FW · · · ··· Email: ar...@telecom.nov.ru ··· · · ·

AH>> Wow, and then they’ll come and crush you in a terroristic-pressive
AH>> way! :)))
EM> Come on, I’m kind, sensitive and vulnerable at heart. :))
EM> But seriously, I don’t attack people, but some of their
EM> actions/words/programs, etc. It is human nature to make mistakes, today
EM> did something right, tomorrow - wrong, the day after tomorrow - again
EM> right. If you yourself realized your mistake, and/or did not start flaming with the one who
EM> pointed it out - honor and praise to you. And if, nevertheless, he began to flame and
EM> to resist... We will get what we now have with Novikov...

;) Are you naive, considering your own opinion as a standard? Why not for a second
assume that it is you who is flaming and resisting? U? We need to think more globally, and not in a childish way.

EM> + Origin: May the Great Power be with you, young Skywalker.

It will come, it will come... It will catch up and come again. Young Skyscraper.

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

S>> in MS WORD 97. ;)

EM> So, who’s against it. These are the people who were defended by _you_ and Step,
EM> they said something about “coursework on Profi”. I have always said
EM> the opposite.

I hear it for the first time... Is it time again, sir? :D

EM> Slightly paraphrasing the words that one of your current
EM> bandmates said (although he said this about DOOM) - “we are not doing this
EM> for people like you, who sit on their Pentiums and only sometimes
EM> download emulators, we do this for real-life players.”

So where are the “PC-like capabilities”? ;)

27 Apr 98 14:49, Evgeny Milun wrote to Spirit:
[...]

> To Evgeny Milun, Spirit, and others ...

No, I’m about to get into swear words, how long can you read the same
squabbles between the same people?!?!?! Moreover, this has been going on for more than a year, isn’t anyone tired of it? Maybe there’s someone smarter here?
Or maybe we’ll create an echo- ZX.SPECTRUM.FLAMES ???

Oleg AKA Olav

>> To Evgeny Milun, Spirit, and others ...

OB> H≈, Õ≈Œ— ”≈ fi¡” Œ¡ Õ¡‘¿À… –pœ¬ÿ≈‘, Œ’ ”ÀœÃÿÀœ Õœ÷Œœ fi…‘¡‘ÿ œƒŒ… …
OB> ‘≈-÷≈ p¡⁄¬œpÀ… Õ≈÷ƒ’ œƒŒ…Õ… … ‘≈Õ…-÷≈ ÿƒÿÕ…?!?!?!

œÀ¡ Œ≈ –œ—◊…‘”— Õœƒ≈“¡‘œ“.

OB> p…fi≈Õ ‹‘œ –pœƒœÃ÷¡≈‘”— ’÷≈ ¬œÃÿ€≈ «œƒ¡, Œ≈’÷≈Ã… Œ…ÀœÕ’ Œ≈ Œ¡ƒœ≈Ãœ?
OB> Ìœ÷≈‘ Œ¡ ƒ≈‘”— ‘’‘ À‘œ-Œ…¬’ƒÿ ’ÕŒ≈≈? · Õœ÷≈‘ ”œ⁄ƒ¡ƒ…Õ ‹»’-
OB> ZX.SPECTRUM.FLAMES ???

Ò –“≈ƒÃ¡«¡Ã ˆ¡◊œ“œŒÀœ◊’ ƒœ¬“œ◊œÃÿŒœ –œƒ¡‘ÿ ◊ œ‘”‘¡◊À’ … œ¬fl—◊…‘ÿ ◊”≈œ¬›…≈
–≈“≈◊Ÿ¬œ“Ÿ Õœƒ≈“¡‘œ“¡. H… œ‘◊≈‘¡, Œ… –“…◊≈‘¡. œÀ¡ ‹»¡ Œ≈ Õœƒ≈“…“’≈Õ¡, ⁄¡
∆Ã≈ ÕœÕ ”Ã≈ƒ…‘ÿ Œ≈ÀœÕ’. ˜œœ¬›≈, ◊≈”ÿ ∆Ã≈ Õ ƒ≈“÷…‘”— Œ¡ œƒŒœÕ fi≈Ãœ◊≈À≈... È ◊Ÿ
≈«œ ⁄Œ¡≈‘≈. (c)

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

AI> ZX-flame generator-terrorist - a new phenomenon of the spectrum world? ;)

A moget bit' Milun ne chelowek, a bot? I on dejstwuet soglasno
programme?

Max Iwamoto/Code Busters...
... skip...

EM> today I did something right, tomorrow I did something wrong, the day after tomorrow -
EM> I did something right again. If you yourself realized your mistake, and/or did not start flaming
EM> with the one who pointed it out - honor and praise to you. And if, nevertheless, he began
EM> to flame and resist... We will get what we now have with Novikov...
Uh-huh, didn’t you think that it was you who was flaming and you’re wrong again?!

EM> P.S. I became philosophical about someone today. :))
???

28 Apr 98 17:13, Spirit reported to Evgeny Milun about {Milun would have asked something else (every
people are different :)}:

EM>> the Great Power will come with you, young Skywalker.
S> It will come

will abide

C Warm greetings, Slava!

Three\ in someone else's eye - a straw, in your own - a log?

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EM>>> –p…¬’ƒ≈‘ ” ‘œ¬œ  ˜≈Ã…À¡— ۅá, ՜܃œ  ÛÀ¡ ’œÀ≈p.
S>> “Ȭ’ƒ…‘

VM> –“≈¬’ƒ≈‘

“œ”‘œ ‘≈Õ¡ ƒ÷≈ƒ¡ ”À¡—...

VM> ⁄Ÿ\ ◊ fi’÷œÕ «Ã¡⁄’ - ”œÃœÕ…ŒÀ’, ◊ ”◊œ£Õ - ¬“≈◊Œœ?

· fi‘œ, ’ Õ≈Œ— ¬œÃÿ€≈ œ–≈fi¡‘œÀ? ó8[ ]

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

29 Apr 98 19:21, Spirit wrote to Oleg Bashtenko:
[...]
OB>> No, I’m about to get into swear words, how long can you read the same
OB>> and the same showdowns between the same people?!?!?!
S> Until the moderator appears.
Let me be moderator, I won’t leave any stone unturned! ;)))
S> I suggested that Zhavoronkov voluntarily resign and announce
S> general re-election of the moderator. No answer, no hello.
Is he actually still in FIDO, or maybe he moved to I_net?
S> While the echo is not moderated, there is no one to monitor the flame.
Yes? Why are KoMods needed???
S> In general, the whole flame rests on one person... And you know him.
So, you probably remember what they did with the starwalker...

Oleg AKA Olav

AI>> ;)
MI> A moget bit' Milun ne chelowek, a bot? I on dejstwuet soglasno
MI> program?
I CAN’T BELIEVE MY EYES! GREAT IWAMOTO!!!!
And I thought that’s it, a man disappeared on PetSet.
Listen, Max, come to us in Echo more often, otherwise there are almost no living legends left here
By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to ask you, look there in Kharkov
bug_fix for a version of the digitizer for Specky. If It’s available in a file version - it’s absolutely
perfect!

Oleg AKA Olav

AH> YES TO YOU. YOU _NOT_STENER!
So. Absolutely right. I'm not a stager. I’m a programmer, unlike you.
And your absolutely wonderful words from the Enlight
cassette come to mind: “ZX-NET is some kind of incomprehensible scene”

AH> 2EM: but it’s weak to admit openly:
AH> I’m Milun Evgeniy - a lamer, I don’t “cook” anything in the Spectrum scene, and in the
AH> scene in general.
In the “scene”? Nope, not weak:
--------------------------
“I, Milun Evgeniy, am a programmer, and therefore I don’t understand the niche of
that some people, who have never written a single program in their life,
call it Scene.”
------------
So it will do?
But I don’t understand why it’s me lamer? As far as I know, the word "lamer" in the computer world is used to describe a person who doesn't know a damn thing about computers/programming, but everywhere and always very vehemently tries to prove that he is just a genius and knows everything better than others, including - and better than people who have programming is the main profession...

AM> My opinion, it’s better this way than nothing at all.
That is. do you mean that you are ready to throw away (and have thrown away) a lot of money, knowing that for it you will get low-quality programs? Do you mean to say that you never wanted there to be a _really_ branch of the IFC in your city,
and not just a person who brings programs from Moscow? Or are you just this
"for the sake of continuing the conversation"?

Tuesday April 28 1998 16:13, Spirit ─── Evgeny Milun:

EM>> actions/words/programs, etc. It is human nature to make mistakes, today
EM>> I did something right, tomorrow I did something wrong, the day after tomorrow I did something right again. If you yourself realized your mistake, and/or did not start flaming with the one who
EM>> pointed it out - honor and praise to you. And if, nevertheless, he began to flame and
EM>> resist... We will get what we now have with Novikov...

S> ;) Are you naive, considering your own opinion as a standard? Why not for a second
S> assume that it is you who is flaming and resisting?
For many reasons... One of them is that I have already asked you many times to stop
inserting all sorts of phrases about me into your tweetlines. But, your craving for flame
always takes over...
And, I hope you understand that if something happens, I will simply forward here my
netmails, where I have repeatedly persuaded you to stop flaming, and which you
reluctantly left unanswered?

EM>> + Origin: Yes The Great Power will come with you, young Skywalker.
S> It will come, it will come... It will catch up and come again. Young Skyscraper.
I hope you know what overquoting did here, which was always and everywhere
considered a violation?

S> --- Today you confirm his actions, next time he gotta vex you. Milun sokx...
And here you are againviolated the rule about personal insults... And also
once again showed who is flaming (if you don’t already know, the word “flaming”
implies personal insults towards the interlocutor).

S>>> Are you? 8) You don’t have to talk about your ZX-Winward. Although it “brings
S>>> some of the capabilities of the Spectrum closer to the PC,” I prefer to write coursework
S>>> in MS WORD 97. ;)
EM>> So, who’s against it. These are the people who were defended by _you_ and Step,
EM>> they said something about “coursework on Profi”. I always said
EM>> the opposite.

∙·■ OB> No, I’m about to get into swear words, how long can you read the same and
∙·■ OB> the same showdowns between the same people?!?!?! Moreover, this
∙·■ OB> has been going on for more than a year, isn’t anyone tired of it? Maybe
∙·■ OB> there is someone smarter here? Or maybe we’ll create an echo-
∙·■ OB> ZX.SPECTRUM.FLAMES ???

I already suggested it, but no one responded, and Mr. Spirit (that’s a must
pseudonym, saint! ;) rudely besieged me with something (I’ve already forgotten what), and that’s all... Yes
don’t pay attention to the flame and everything will be ok.

And may the Force be with Me and My friends!
Darth

░▒▓ Starfleet Admiral Black Lord Eugene ▓▒░

■ Location: Death Star ■ Finding: Death Star
■ Imperial Title: Dark Lord ■ Title: Black Lord
■ Pilot Rating: Elite ■ Flight Rating: Elite

Hey, did the stolen money come in handy in the household?
Or do we live on the principle of not being caught - not a THIEF ?????

And you stole the Amig in Cherkassy. And now let someone tell me that it is possible
to get software without encountering such high-road crooks as you.
Maybe you will be pleased to know that “ivazhmoto” is one of the dirtiest
abuses in Cherkassy.
PS: I still feel sorry for Amig...

... Lazy of ETC Group (ZX & PC).

My on-board systems detected that on Thursday April 30, 1998 01:08,
Vyacheslav Mednonogov wrote to Spirit:

EM>>> the Great Power will come with you, young Skywalker.
S>> Will come

VM> will abide

VM> sir\ in someone else's eye there is a straw, in your own there is a log?

Oh - please. Why not a moderator?

Sincerely, Captain/56.

Who is the moderator? Maybe he died, and the echo is unattended. So let's choose a
moderator. Suggest candidates.

OB>> Moreover, this has been going on for more than a year, isn’t anyone
OB>> tired of it? Maybe there is someone smarter here? Or maybe
OB>> let's create an echo- ZX.SPECTRUM.FLAMES ???

To the garden.

EM> actions/words/programs, etc. It is human nature to make mistakes, today
EM> did something right, tomorrow - wrong, the day after tomorrow - again
EM> right. If you yourself realized your mistake, and/or did not start flaming with the one who
EM> pointed it out - honor and praise to you. And if, nevertheless, he began to flame and
EM> resist... We will get what we now have with Novikov...

01 May 98 19:34, Darth Vader wrote to Oleg Bashtenko:
[...]
DV> I already suggested it, but no one responded, and Mr. Spirit (that’s a must-have nickname, holy man! ;) rudely told me something (I forgot what)
DV> besieged, and that's it...
Well, he's out of spite,
DV> Don't pay attention to the flame and everything will be ok.
And I don't pay much attention, just think, 50% of the messages after tossing
according to this echo are absolutely useless. I'm just tired of this empty chatter - "he said the wrong thing, he wrote the wrong thing, he came at me." Agree, there is useful
information or productive communication in this thread - 0.0000000000...%
DV> ░▒▓ Starfleet Admiral Black Lord Eugene ▓▒░
How you love yourself... ;)))

With the best...
Oleg AKA Olav

ïûî OB>> H≈, Õ≈Œ— ”≈ fi¡” Œ¡ Õ¡‘¿À… –pœ¬ÿ≈‘, Œ’ ”ÀœÃÿÀœ Õœ÷Œœ fi…‘¡‘ÿ œƒŒ…
ïûî OB>> … ‘≈-÷≈ p¡⁄¬œpÀ… Õ≈÷ƒ’ œƒŒ…Õ… … ‘≈Õ…-÷≈ ÿƒÿÕ…?!?!?! p…fi≈Õ
ïûî OB>> ‹‘œ –pœƒœÃ÷¡≈‘”— ’÷≈ ¬œÃÿ€≈ «œƒ¡, Œ≈’÷≈Ã… Œ…ÀœÕ’ Œ≈ Œ¡ƒœ≈Ãœ? Ìœ÷≈‘
ïûî OB>> Œ¡ ƒ≈‘”— ‘’‘ À‘œ-Œ…¬’ƒÿ ’ÕŒ≈≈? · Õœ÷≈‘ ”œ⁄ƒ¡ƒ…Õ
ïûî OB>> ‹»’- ZX.SPECTRUM.FLAMES ???

DV> p≈ƒÃ¡«¡Ã — ’÷≈,ƒ¡ ◊œ‘ ‘œÃÿÀœ Œ…À‘œ Œ≈ œ‘ÀÃ…ÀŒ’Ô—,¡ «-Œ Û–…p…‘ (‹‘œ ÷
DV> Œ¡ƒœ –”≈◊ƒœŒ…Õ ‘¡Àœ ,”◊—‘œ€¡! ;)

˜ ”Ãœ◊¡“ÿ Œ¡ ƒŒ—» ”á⁄≈ , œk?

DV> «p’¬œ Õ≈Œ— fi≈Õ-‘œ (⁄¡¬ŸÃ ’÷,fi≈Õ) œ”¡ƒ…Ã,… ◊”≈...

˜”–œÕŒ… ◊”≈ ÷, …Œ‘≈“≈”Œœ ◊≈ƒÿ!

DV> êëí ·ƒÕ…p¡Ã ˙◊≈⁄ƒŒœ«œ ∆Ãœ‘¡ ˛≈pŒŸ  Ïœpƒ Â◊«≈Œ…  íëê

H¿-Œ¿...

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

S>> œÀ¡ Œ≈ –œ—◊…‘”— Õœƒ≈“¡‘œ“.
OB> · ƒ¡◊¡ ‘≈ — ¬’ƒ’ Õœƒ≈p¡‘œpœÕ, À¡ÕŒ— Œ¡ À¡ÕŒ≈ Œ≈ œ”‘¡◊ÿ! ;)))

Ӂ ⁄¡ ‘≈¬— –“œ«œÃœ”’¿‘... ó)

S>> œÀ¡ ‹»¡ Œ≈ Õœƒ≈“…“’≈Õ¡, ⁄¡ ∆Ã≈ ÕœÕ ”Ã≈ƒ…‘ÿ Œ≈ÀœÕ’.
OB> ‰¡? · Μ̜ƒŸ ⁄¡fi≈Õ Œ’÷ŒŸ???

Αœ? 8) Úœƒ…œŒœ◊? Ìœ¡? 8)) Ì.Ì¡“Àœ◊”À…  ƒ¡◊Œœ ◊ œ‘”‘¡◊À’ –œƒ¡Ã.

S>> ˜œœ¬›≈, ◊≈”ÿ ∆Ã≈ Õ ƒ≈“÷…‘”— Œ¡ œƒŒœÕ fi≈Ãœ◊≈À≈... È ◊Ÿ ≈«œ ⁄Œ¡≈‘≈.
OB> ‰ŸÀ À¡À –œ”‘’–…Ã… ”œ starwalker_œÕ Œ≈¬œ”ÿ –œÕŒ…€ÿ...

˜”¿ Û¡Õ¡“’ œ‘“’¬…‘ÿ –“≈ƒÃ¡«¡≈€ÿ? ;)

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

Read the rules more carefully.

OB> Is he actually still in FIDO, or maybe he joined I_net?

S>> While the echo is not moderated, there is no one to monitor the flame.
OB> Yes? Why are KoMods needed???
Or maybe they read and read and then turn off half of the subscribers.

S>> In general, the whole flame rests on one person... And you know him.
I don’t know him, tell me, it’s interesting. One will leave and another will come, it could be
everyone, including me and you.

OB> So, I suppose you remember what they did with starwalker_om...
By the way, tell us what you did with starwalker_om - that’s the first thing, please.
And secondly, you’re tired of the fact that there is no moderator, and I’m sick of unhealthy
nicknames. I don't understand why people don't like their own name. Damn, at least they would have written their own name. I believe that this is disrespectful to the subscribers of this conference. Moreover, the nickname is given for some specific skills/merits/character traits/demeanor, etc. but in no way
is chosen by itself.

Now about the flame. A person believes that he is right, he is trying to prove it.
His proof can be regarded as a personal opinion or as an attack. A smart
person will make the correct assessment and will not, sputtering with saliva, prove the opposite.
So, if in this conference the majority of people who believe that a dispute is
a source of information and finding theirmistakes, then you can calmly live as you lived, without a stern moderator. But if he appears (although I am sure that he exists) and
zealously adheres to the rules, I wonder who will be the first to politely
ask the moderator for soap. By the way, here's a plus for you for the worst offtopic -
re-election of the moderator and a plus for me for unauthorized moderation.

Sincerely, Evgen.

Speda Apel 29 1998 09:24, Max Iwamoto wrote to Alexey Ivanov:

∙·■ MI> A moget bit' Milun ne chelowek, a bot? I on dejstwuet soglasno
∙·■ MI> program?

Moget i tak. Sluschaj,tebe zaslat russifikator,kotoryj ya specialno dlya
takih sluchaev nastpoil? A to leni takie letters are translated into our language.

Saturday May 02 1998 right at 00:53, Eugene Mironchuk wrote to Max Iwamoto:

EM> And you ruined the Amig in Cherkassy. And now let someone tell me that
EM> it is possible to get software without encountering such high-profile crooks as you. Maybe you will be pleased to know that “ivazhmoto” is one
EM> of the dirtiest curse words in Cherkassy.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We have the same ;)

Sunday May 03, 1998 22:22, Spirit wrote to Darth Vader:

∙·■ S> Into the dictionary the other day, ok?

^ Somehow I climbed. spirit.Or maybe you are ALCOHOL?

DV>> rudely besieged me with something (I’ve already forgotten what), and that’s it...
∙·■ S> Remember, it’s interesting!

I expressed my opinion that Ukraine is still
an integral part of Russia, and you told me ~Do you know, your opinion doesn’t matter to anyone here
interesting!~. In my opinion, this is very rude.

DV>> ░▒▓ Starfleet Admiral Black Lord Eugene ▓▒░
∙·■ S>
∙·■ S> Nu-nu...

So it’s not for you to pretend to be alcohol, but an army command...

OB> showdowns between the same people?!?!?! Moreover, this
OB> has been going on for more than
OB> a year, isn’t anyone tired of it? Maybe there is
OB> someone smarter here?
OB> Or maybe we’ll create an echo- ZX.SPECTRUM.FLAMES ???
In fact, they are good people, but you need to know when to stop!

Pokeda from Nick!

Oh, I woke up!!! Tell me - what's new with you? Like Major Warez?

MI> Max Iwamoto/Code Busters...
MI> ... skip...

cYa, aR7Y/dR/FW · · · ··· Email: ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · · · · ·

Sunday May 03 1998 18:59, Oleg Bashtenko wrote to Darth Vader:

∙·■ OB> Well, he’s doing it out of spite,

No, for some reason... I’m just probably tired of arguing with others %censored%
;-)

∙·■ OB> 0.0000000000...%

Well, why, just the opposite. I learned so much useful information about these people that
it seems to me that I dealt with them personally. Here.

∙·■ OB> How do you love yourself... ;)))

In fact, you are right.... Without loving yourself you will not become an Admiral ;-)

DV>> p≈ƒÃ¡«¡Ã — ’÷≈,ƒ¡ ◊œ‘ ‘œÃÿÀœ Œ…À‘œ Œ≈ œ‘ÀÃ…ÀŒ’Ô—,¡ «-Œ Û–…p…‘ (‹‘œ ÷
DV>> Œ¡ƒœ –”≈◊ƒœŒ…Õ ‘¡Àœ ,”◊—‘œ€¡! ;) «p’¬œ Õ≈Œ— fi≈Õ-‘œ (⁄¡¬ŸÃ ’÷,fi≈Õ)
DV>> œ”¡ƒ…Ã,… ◊”≈...
OB> H’ ‹‘œ œŒ ”œ ⁄á,

Whoops... ı ‘œ◊¡“…›¡ ˜≈ ƒ≈“¡ Œ≈ჟ ” –¡Õ—‘ÿ¿ - ƒ≈Ãœ, Œ¡ ”¡ÕœÕ ƒ≈Ã≈ ¬ŸÃœ ‘¡À:
–“¡’ Õ≈”—√≈◊ Œ¡⁄¡ƒ À‘œ-‘œ ‘’‘ (VM?) Œ¡–…”¡Ã, ÕœÃ, "Œ…À¡À Œ≈ Õœ«’ –“…◊ŸÀŒ’‘ÿ, fi‘œ
Úœ””…— … ‚≈Ãœ“’”…—/ıÀ“¡…Œ¡ - “¡⁄ŒŸ≈ ”‘“¡ŒŸ". Ùœ ÷≈ ”¡Õœ≈ –œƒ‘◊≈“ƒ…à ARS. H’ …
ÔŒ…€Àœ ◊ŸÃ≈⁄ ”œ ”◊œ≈  ’¬œ Œœ  ∆“¡⁄œ  "Û¡Õœ≈ …Œ‘≈“≈”Œœ≈, fi‘œ — ‘œ÷≈!!!" H’ —,
–œŒ—‘Œœ≈ ƒ≈Ãœ, ≈Õ’ ÕŸÃœÕ … Œ¡–…”¡Ã, ÕœÃ, –Ã≈◊¡‘ÿ ◊”≈Õ ¬œÃÿŒœ, À fi≈Õ’ Œ≈À…  ˆ≈Œ—
ÔŒ…€Àœ Õœ÷≈‘ –“…◊ŸÀŒ’‘ÿ, ¡ À fi≈Õ’ Œ≈‘ - Œ≈⁄¡fi≈Õ ‹»’ ⁄¡”œ“—‘ÿ. That's all...

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> DV: we need such a nickname, saint! ;) rude to me with something (I forgot what)
~~~~~~~~~
> DV: besieged, and that’s all...

In short, he himself turned out to be a flamer: he attacks without reason... Well,
the Jedi/Vaders have gone today... :~~(

DV> And may he be with Me and with My friends Power!

Wow. Even the signature is like Milun's. One wanted Salo to arrive with the Jedi,
the other - with Vader and his friends (where did he get them from... hmm?) And both, as
you know, broke off ;)

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

EM>>> the Great Power will come with you, young Skywalker.
S>> It will come
VM> will abide
VM> in someone else's eye there is a straw, in your own there is a log?

AH> What right do you have to indicate? How do you know whether this is a “mistake” or not?
AH> How do you know what is “right”?
Why are you so angry? For example, for some reason you think that you have the right to tell everyone everything... Or maybe you are jealous? :))
But seriously, you apparently forgot one of the rules of FIDO - a thought expressed by a person is considered his “IMHO” until he confirms
it with facts. So, neither I nor anyone else have any right. It’s just
if my arguments are more convincing than yours, then... And if yours -
I’m always ready to admit my mistake.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
As far as I understand, so far there is only one candidate for malicious violators of the policy
ZX.SPECTRUM - you. Shut down all of Moscow?

S> Go to the dictionary one of these days, ok?
^^^^^^ judging by this word, obviously not the one where
there is a Russian language. :))

DV>> ░▒▓ Starfleet Admiral Black Lord Eugene ▓▒░
S> Nu-nu...
Well, how can you do without quoting signatures? Overquoting -
rulez.

No, he just spirits away everything that is bad, attaches the insides and throws the coolest
release from {do}. :)

With all kinds of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... The silence of our enemies is more eloquent than the praise of our friends.

EM>> will say that you can get the software without encountering such
EM>> high-road crooks like you. Maybe you will be pleased
EM>> to know that "ivazhmoto" is one of the dirtiest curse words in
EM>> Cherkassy.
AH> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AH> We have the same ;)

Finally, explain what he did??? It’s just that Iwamoto
lived with the CodeBusters for some time, then everyone started scolding him for something, then they stopped, but
occasionally something else slips through - just enlighten us, otherwise things rarely reach our outskirts from rumors :)

C ya!
Alexander Romanenko

S> Who? 8) Rodionov? Moa? 8)) M. Markovsky resigned a long time ago.

Hey “voters”, aren’t you taking on too much?

WBR, Alex Kovrigin <cre...@online.nsk.su>

... CD32PPC

WBR, Alex Kovrigin <cre...@online.nsk.su>

... CD32PPC

05 May 98 14:50, Spirit wrote to Oleg Bashtenko:
[...]
I decided to change the subject...
S> it’s interesting that I do too!!!" Well, of course, I wrote to him with soap,
S> they say, no one cares, it hurts, what a certain Zhenya Onishko can get used to, but
S> what is not - there is no need clog up the echo. That's all...
Only lately the echo has become more and more like a gathering of "grumbling" old people. It's just disgusting. Who can tell me where to go with
constructive proposals, new ideas in the end...

Oleg AKA Olav

AR>
AR> Finally, explain what he did??? It's just
AR> Iwamoto
AR> lived with the CodeBusters for some time, then everyone started scolding him for something,
AR> then they stopped, but
AR> occasionally something else slips through - just enlighten us, and
AR> then we rarely hear anything from rumors on the outskirts
AR> Well, then listen.
Somehow, about two years ago Our organizer Jocker/OHG/Mafia bought new programs from Max. At first everything was fine, he sent us cool toys, demos. We sometimes threw in something of our own, but last time the parcel was delayed,
well, we think you never know.
A week passed, a second passed, Jocker started calling Max,
but no one picked up the phone. This went on for another two months
until Jocker got tired of calling, and until he received a bill for long-distance calls.
Many thanks to Joker/AWS/Mafia, who, a year after
what happened, took the promised discs from Maxa and sent them to us.
So we OHG's have no reason to praise Iwamot, you understand
as you come to us, so we come to you.

Sorry, they brought fresh beer...

/ musicmaker \
__KLIM/Omega Hackers Group/MFA'98__

...I'll format you in such a way that my own mother doesn't finds out:)

S>> general re-election of the moderator. No answer, no hello. While the echo is not
S>> moderated, there is no one to monitor the flame. In general, the entire flame
S>> rests on one person... And you know him. (c)
DM> Disable.

Hey, turning off the spirit will not lead to a scream. :(

MI>> soglasno programme?
OB> I CAN’T BELIEVE MY EYES! GREAT IWAMOTO!!!!
OB> And I thought that’s it, a man disappeared on PeTset.

Get lost in Quake...

OB> Listen, Max, come to us in Echo more often,

It’s better not to...

OB> Otherwise there are almost no living legends left here :(

Yeah Iwamoto is the same legend as Milun.

With best wishes, [ZX_Power Team]
Squizer! alive!

EM> Will you sing "comic verses" ? :)
YEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!! ;))))))

Oleg AKA Olav

06 May 98 20:38, Alex Kovrigin wrote to Spirit:
[...]
AK> Hey “voters”, aren’t you taking on too much?
Do you have any suggestions???
I’ve been in this echo for almost 3 years now, but I’ve never seen such a “mess”.
How much it was more pleasant in SPB.SPECCY...

Oleg AKA Olav

EM> And now, because of one person, the entire network is shut down? Or is this
EM> only if S. Novikov says it about E. Milun? :)
Let's all switch off, then there will be silence in the echo, some
will even have time to clear the flame-soap over this echo... ;)
[...]
EM> As far as I understand, so far there is only one candidate for malicious
EM> violators of the ZX.SPECTRUM policy - you. Shut down all of Moscow?
Listen, wouldn’t it be easier to forget the old squabbles, it’s time to learn to think
more constructively! Finally stop quibbling over words, how long can you inflate a flame out of nothing? Just think, you said the wrong thing, you were mistaken about something, this is not a reason to grab daggers.
THIS ECHO IS NOT A “MARKET COURSE”, although if you put the old women selling seeds here, it will become very similar... =)

With calming greetings
Oleg AKA Olav

02 May 98 00:53, Eugene Mironchuk reported by Max Iwamoto about {Where is my $20?}:

EM> you can get software without encountering such high-profile crooks as you. Maybe you will be pleased to know that “ivazhmoto” is one of
EM> the dirtiest curse words in Cherkassy.

Why are you doing this to Max :( Is it really because of some subject?

EM> PS: I still feel sorry for Amig...
EM> ... Lazy of ETC Group (ZX & PC).

^^^^^^^^there’s nothing to regret. That’s where she belongs.

Warm greetings, Slava!

[ Powered by Windows'95 ]

04 May 98 23:01, Andy Harchenko reported to Eugene Mironchuk about {Where is my $20
?}:

EM>> dear, like you. Maybe you will be pleased to know that “ivazhmoto” is one of the dirtiest curse words in Cherkassy.

Wednesday May 06 1998, Grigory Klimenko (2:5061/33.40) -> Alexander Romanenko:

GK> Well, then listen.
GK> Once, two years ago, our organizer Jocker/OHG/Mafia bought new programs from
GK> Maxa. At first everything was good, he sent us cool ones

... skipped...

H-yes, everything is clear... Although one cannot help but admit that he knew how to work...
But I confess, of course, these are different things - programming and swapping...
And as far as I understand, you were not the only “victims”?

C ya!
Alexander Romanenko

OB> Do you have any suggestions???

Sit and wait. If you’re really itching to moderate
then create your own echo, no one is stopping you ;)

OB> I’ve been in this echo for almost 3 years now, but I’ve never seen such a “mess” before.
OB> How much nicer it was in SPB.SPECCY...

There was a lot more chaos here, two years ago. Well, you probably remember
it was just after this mess that the Amiga topic got into offtopic here.

Thursday April 30 1998 14:44, Evgeny Milun wrote to Artem Kharitonov:

EM>>>> What am I trying to achieve? Just a very small amount - so that some
EM>>>> individuals do not bury themselves and declare themselves “the elite of the scene”.
AH>> And who should we “declare” you?

EM> Are you telling Mikhailov? He will be very happy. :))))) I already
EM> said once who is the elite in reality.

You, darling, you... The original letter did not reach...

AM>>> You are also famous among us.
AH>> How-much more than anyone else - lmd of the year can even be assigned =)

EM> By the way, my dear, Great Stager, maybe you can tell me now,
EM> what should have been a criterion in this questionnaire? Programs? Or
EM> personal qualities of a person?

Both.

EM> Since not a word was said about
EM> the program, your answer “lmd of the year” is not accepted. Maximum -
EM> “critic of the year.”

Nope, lmd =)

EM>>>> “On DR now.” Nope, not on DR, I didn’t guess right. On the fact that:
EM>>>> 1) Some people consider themselves to have the right to talk with pathos about the “scene”, and
EM>>>> explain to us “lamers”
AH>> TO YOU - YES. YOU _NOT_STENER!

EM> So. Absolutely right. I'm not a stager. I'm a programmer,different from you.

Why do you think that everyone should be a programmer???

EM> And your absolutely wonderful words from
EM> Enlight’s tape come to mind: “ZX-NET is some kind of incomprehensible scene”

Did you pay money for the tape?

AH>> 2EM: but it’s hard to admit openly:
AH>> I’m Milun Evgeniy - Lamer, I don’t “cook” anything in the Spectrum scene, and
AH>> the scene in general.

EM> In the “scene”? Nope, not weak:
EM> ---------------------------
EM> “I, Milun Evgeniy, am a programmer, and therefore I don’t understand the niche
EM> that some people, who have never written a single
EM> program in their life, call Scene.”
EM> ---------------------------

It’s from these that it grows clan mITsKR0 TUFT...

Mr. Milun! Not everyone in the world is a programmer - go out on the street at least once,
ask around the people... If everyone were programmers, it would be an ass! As far as I know, the word
EM> “lamer”
EM> in the computer world is used to describe a person who doesn’t know a damn thing about
EM> computers/programming, but everywhere and always very vehemently
EM> tries to prove that he is simply a genius and knows everything better than others, in
EM> including - and better than people,of which programming is the main
EM> profession...

=))))))))) Lamer, this is the one who constantly makes faces at you in the mirror, who writes
zxwinbrods that no one needs, shouts in the echo at the ELITE and doesn’t cook niches in the scene
=))))))))) Do you recognize?

EM>>>> about how “all over the world” it is customary to design
EM>>>> programs - in a cool style, a hackish font, etc. - although...

AH>> Idiot... I still don’t understand what I was talking about... I won’t waste time on you
AH>> I’ll be a bummer to explain it again....

EM> Just a minute, just a minute. And why could I understand anything?
EM> As far as I remember, you never responded to my request to give examples
EM> of programs that have a similar design... Moreover, not the program “by
EM> Vasya from Gnilogem.”

Well, if Prestige is for you, Razor, Class - “Vasya”, then excuse me - we have different
“values”... It’s better for Bill to design the program according to the standards...

AM>>> The DR group is different from the others.
AM>>> Let’s put everyone on the same uniform with the sun, like we once did at school
AM>>>. What will happen?

AH>> The world in which Milun wants to live... Everyone is the same, everything is the same...
AH>> And all this is because he is a mediocre person WITHOUT imagination.

EM> :))))))))))))))))
EM> That's what I meanI see that you perceive my every phrase “but this is not so cool”
EM> as an attack. No, my dear Great Scener, this is your
EM> flowered world. You want everyone to admire everything...

Yes... My Great Jedi - the world was created for enjoying the beautiful, for
inspiration, love, feelings of joy and sadness... Life should be enjoyed!

AH>> The only lamer here is you... Masachism???

EM> :)))) And name at least one of my programs about which you can
EM> say “it was written by a lame.”

That’s it. Three or two programs. I don’t remember exactly, three or two, maybe three? And
maybe one... heh...

EM> Until you name it... Do you remember our agreement a bunch of
EM> months ago? Well, now you are the Lamer.

Ah, ah... I'm sad...

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ïûî OB>> 0.0000000000...%

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Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

OB> YEEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!! ;))))))

About the coolest demo issue of the magazine, which will be a hit of all times and
peoples. ;)

Once Alexander Romanenko wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AR> Finally, explain what he did??? It’s just that
AR> Iwamoto lived with the CodeBusters for some time, then everyone started scolding him for something, then
AR> they stopped, but occasionally something else slips through - just enlighten me, otherwise
AR> rarely anything comes to our outskirts from rumors :)
From me, for example, he just stole $20. They paid him the money, but they received the khep and butter. Plus about $10 more for the phone :(
And this is ivaZhMOTO advertising Amig'y!
In general, after this incident in Cherkassy there was only one Amiga left, and that y
player.

VM> Why are you doing this to Max :( Is it really because of some subject?
So brazenly - he fucked him and threw him away. He just doesn’t have a conscience, and judging by
the number of reviews, he never had one. We need to drive people like that into the neck, and not send them to
computers.
I just I hope that we were the last ones he was able to fool.

... Lazy of ETC Group (ZX & PC) - with the best wishes to friendly guyz !

04 May 98 22:42, Nikolay Maslennikov reported by Oleg Bashtenko about {Milun would
ask something else (all people are different :)}:

>> To Evgeny Milun, Spirit, and others ...
OB>> Or maybe we’ll create an echo- ZX.SPECTRUM.FLAMES ???
NM> In fact, they are good people, but you also need to know when to stop!

So they will go there - it’s more interesting for them to flame here.

None of them seem to have submitted their resignations (if necessary, they may add something like this :) And Zhavoronkov, as everyone knows, is the “founder and lifelong
moderator” of this echo.

2SN: Seryoga, I’m surprised, you yourself shout about following the rules and you yourself deliberately
violate them for months - for example, you use the pseudonym Spirit, you raise
the topic of re-elections, and much, much more :)

And you don’t like that the moderators here are so understanding, kind
and patient ;))

Warm greetings, Slava!

[ St. Petersburg football club "Zenit" - champion of Russia in 1998 ]

IG> Why, turn off the spirit - you won’t end up screaming. :(

:)))))))))))

With warm greetings, Slava!

ps\ wow, wow, how thoughts converge :))

AK> There was a much bigger mess here, two years ago. Well, you probably remember
AK> just after this mess the Amiga topic got into offtopic here.

Yes, it was a cool glove compartment - they don’t make those anymore :))

Warm greetings, Slava!

[ St. Petersburg football club "Zenit" - champion of Russia in 1998 ]

EM>> will say that you can get the software without encountering such
EM>> high-road crooks like you. Maybe you will be pleased
EM>> to know that “ivaZhMOTO” is one of the dirtiest curse words in
EM>> Cherkassy.

S>>> Ò –“≈ƒÃ¡«¡Ã ˆ¡◊œ“œŒÀœ◊’ ƒœ¬“œ◊œÃÿŒœ –œƒ¡‘ÿ ◊ œ‘”‘¡◊À’ … œ¬fl—◊…‘ÿ
S>>> ◊”≈œ¬›…≈ –≈“≈◊Ÿ¬œ“Ÿ Õœƒ≈“¡‘œ“¡. H… œ‘◊≈‘¡, Œ… –“…◊≈‘¡. œÀ¡ ‹»¡ Œ≈
S>>> Õœƒ≈“…“’≈Õ¡, ⁄¡ ∆Ã≈ ÕœÕ ”Ã≈ƒ…‘ÿ Œ≈ÀœÕ’. ˜œœ¬›≈, ◊≈”ÿ ∆Ã≈ Õ
S>>> ƒ≈“÷…‘”— Œ¡ œƒŒœÕ fi≈Ãœ◊≈À≈... È ◊Ÿ ≈«œ ⁄Œ¡≈‘≈. (c)
DM>> Ô‘Àÿfi…‘ÿ.

IG> ‰¡ ‘Ÿ fi≈, ”–…p…‘¡ œ‘Àÿfi¡‘ÿ - Àp…À’ Œ≈ œ¬≈p≈€ÿ”—. :(

;) ΜՒ »’÷≈-‘œ ¬’ƒ≈‘? Αœ œ–“œ”Ÿ, »œ‘— ¬Ÿ, ¬’ƒ≈‘ –“œ◊œƒ…‘ÿ?

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

VM> 2SN: Û≈“£«¡, — ’ƒ…◊׿”ÿ, ‘Ÿ ”¡Õ À“…fi…€ÿ œ ”œ¬Ã¿ƒ≈Œ…… –“¡◊…à … ”¡Õ
VM> ”œ⁄Œ¡‘≈ÃÿŒœ …» Àœ‘œ“Ÿ  Õ≈”—√ Œ¡“’€¡≈€ÿ - Œ¡–“, –œÃÿ⁄’≈€ÿ”— –”≈◊ƒœŒ…ÕœÕ
VM> Spirit,

œ‘œÕ’ fi‘œ «Ã’–Ÿ  –’ŒÀ‘ ◊ “’Ã≈”¡». Ò ¬Ÿ ’¬“¡Ã ≈«œ –≈“◊ŸÕ ƒ≈ÃœÕ.

VM> –œƒŒ…Õ¡≈€ÿ ‘≈Õ’ œ –≈“≈◊Ÿ¬œ“¡»

·Ãÿ‘≈“Œ¡‘…◊¡ - ≈›≈ Ã≈‘ 5 ”…ƒ≈‘ÿ ¬≈⁄ Õœƒ≈“¡‘œ“¡.

VM> È ‘≈¬≈ ÷≈ Œ≈ Œ“¡◊…‘”—, fi‘œ ÀœÕœƒ≈“¡‘œ“Ÿ ⁄ƒ≈”ÿ ‘¡À…≈ ◊”≈–œŒ…Õ¡¿›…≈,
VM> ƒœ¬“Ÿ≈ … ‘≈“–≈Ã…◊Ÿ≈ ;))

ÙŸ –“œ ÌÔ· …Ã… Úœƒ…œŒœ◊¡?

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

08 May 98 00:29, Eugene Mironchuk reported by Vyacheslav Mednonogov about {Where is my
$20?}:

VM>> Why are you doing this to Max :( Is it really because of some subject?

EM> So brazenly - he fucked him and threw him away. He just doesn’t have a conscience, and judging by
EM> the number of reviews, he never has. It’s necessary to drive people like this into the neck, and not to let them go to
EM> computers. I just hope that we were the last ones he could
EM> cheat.

Perhaps there is one person in St. Petersburg who also has a grudge against Max (though we’re talking
about $100). The most unpleasant thing is that I helped them contact (on E95), the loss seems to be
involved :)
So there are 5 times more subjects...

However, this does not prevent me from treating Max well ;)

S>>>> is moderated, there is no one to monitor the flame. In general, the entire flame
S>>>> rests on one person... And you know him. (c)
DM>>> Disable.
IG>> Why, turning off the spirit will not lead to a scream. :(

S>>>>> I suggested that Zhavoronkov voluntarily resign and announce
S>>>>> general re-election of the moderator. No answer, no hello. While the echo is not
S>>>>> moderated, there is no one to monitor the flame. In general, the entire flame
S>>>>> rests on one person... And you know him. (c)
DM>>>> Disable.
IG>>> Why, turning off the spirit will not lead to a scream. :(
S>> ;) Who will be worse off? Who will at least conduct the surveys?

S>>> is not moderated, there is no one to monitor the flame. In general, the entire
S>>> flame rests on one person... And you know him. (c)
DM>> Disable.

S> You, for example ;)))

I have nothing else to do.

S> You will spend... It will be so bad that no one will simply answer.
S> (if you want, check. How many people answered the recent “questionnaire”
S>, so to speak, on E97-graphics?)

Do I know? I did not take part either in the schedule or in your last one.

S> PS: As for the results - the results of all my polls are one hundred
S> percent correct.

I have no doubt that you can count to 20. But you can’t compile a questionnaire correctly
. It's like writing in some referendum:

to such and such: yes-[ ] no-[ ] |if no, you're a goat| it's your choice |
there such and such: yes-[ ] no-[ ] |if no - you're right| choose for yourself |

Therefore, the results of the questionnaire could be predicted even when the sheet itself appeared. And if the results please you, it’s not surprising, I wouldn’t
trust it.

IMHO, let him live. It's boring without a flame! You can’t express everything you want to say “without a flame”...

╔═══════──────--─--∙· See ya! ·∙-─--─────═══════╗╔═════════■ YEAH! ■═══════╗
╚═──-- Cherkasov Svyatoslav (aka SoulBurner) -───═╝╚══■ I like this life! ■══╝

IG> I have no doubt that you can count to 20. But you can’t create a questionnaire
IG> correctly.

Wow, how cool we are... Have you even tried to “compile a questionnaire” yourself? When
you do something more decent, then criticize.

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

S>> ;) ΜՒ »’÷≈-‘œ ¬’ƒ≈‘? Αœ œ–“œ”Ÿ, »œ‘— ¬Ÿ, ¬’ƒ≈‘ –“œ◊œƒ…‘ÿ?

SC> ÈÌËÔ, –’”À¡  ÷…◊≈‘.

¸8{} Ò –œ“¡÷¡¿”ÿ, ‘œ◊¡“…”fi…...

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]