Crystal Dream

Attention breaking news!

In view of the unpleasant story with ChV-2, the Crystal Dream group was reorganized.
Eugene and Rocknilek dropped out of it! All joint projects with these people have been
redistributed! In view of this, the group requires coders to work together.
All suggestions in netmail.

With a fleeting smile, Stanley.

[Team:E-652] [Team:Politburo] [Team:Patopsycho]

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Stanley!

Thu Mar 05 1998, Stanley Ivanenko squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach All:

SI> In view of the unpleasant story with ChV-2, the Crystal Dream group was
SI> reorganized. Eugene and Rocknilek dropped out! All joint
SI> projects with these people have been redistributed! Because of this, the group requires coders to work together. All proposals are in netmail.

Well, shall we believe it or what? My opinion, punishment would not hurt, because the damage
has already been done, it cannot be repaired... How is Slava?

Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

Once I was in a museum and there, on an old, old stone, an ancient man carved that
Monday March 09, 1998 right at 19:42, Eugene Malkov wrote to Stanley Ivanenko:

EM> Well, shall we believe it or what? My opinion is that punishment would not hurt,
You must be delusional? Let's say if we broke the ChV (and we could
do it;) and spread it to several cities, then what would you do to me???
Would you stop messing with me in the echo? Wrote a huge article about how bad we are?! And what? Read it, forget it. So far, no one bears legal responsibility for non-compliance with copyright on Speck. So it’s not clear what kind of punishment you
mean. I hope you are not going to implement the plan of Joker from Kharkov, who promised to ride the gang in a minibus if someone breaks the MK? :) But here you don’t know who you’ll run into ;)

EM> after all, the damage has already been done, you can’t fix it... How is Slava?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is, of course, very bad, but it’s worth
taking into account that the market for Spekov’s software is still a market and it has the same market conditions laws, with all the + and -, and most users don’t know what you’re talking about here
and, in principle, they don’t care, they need something new, and cheaper! And
no one is interested in your bazaars about honesty and hackers. So guys, talk about the same thing as much as
you can, because for now there will beCOMMERCIAL SOFTWARE, THERE WILL BE HACKERS - I already wrote on this topic. But it is not yet possible to punish hackers! The only thing that imho can have an effect on hackers is if
traders refuse to buy (distribute) broken software, in this case you can
achieve something practical, and the rest is empty chatter.

And even more so, I would not attack subj'eviks. After all, people already took a heroic step, expelled several of their members from the ranks of the group, so imho
they punished themselves anyway. And in principle, who are we to judge them???

P.S.: If someone had come at us about this, they would have torn our heating pads! (for the future ;)

Wiz zE BeSt WisHeZ 2 U!
-=JoCkeR/OmEga HaCkErS Grp/1998year=-

We have been reading here for a long time attacks on Crystal Dream about the ChV and we are surprised at how you
sit silently and wipe away your tears, making excuses right and left, like you have already kicked them out and that you and the others are not guilty. Firstly, how can you be kicked out of the group because of this? Everyone makes mistakes and you, as an organizer, could prevent, understand, so that this does not happen again. After all, you can interest people in making
something of their own, rather than wasting time breaking CVs and making money on your
product. And in general, why are you justifying yourself to all sorts of people who have nothing to do with this? The only person with whom you can have a serious
battle is Slava, so he really has every right to attack you, and
the rest, as they say, just let him get promoted. So you, as a group, must
have your own dignity, and you, as an organizer, must be able to give a kick to everyone who
offends on the honor of the group. So don’t pay attention to stupid attacks from
others.

Respectfully: <<>>
-=JoCkeR/OmEga HACKERS Grp/1998year=-
^^^^^^^we haven’t kicked anyone out yet :)

Once upon a time, specifically Monday March 09, 1998 at 07:42 pm Eugene Malkov
wrote Stanley Ivanenko:

AH> You must be delusional? Let’s say if we broke the ChV (and we could
AH> do this;) and spread it to several cities, then what would you
AH> do to me??? Would you stop talking to me in the echo? Wrote a huge article
AH> about how bad we are?! And what? Read it, forget it. So far, no one
AH> bears legal responsibility for non-compliance
AH> with copyrights on Speck. So it’s not clear what kind of punishment you mean.

An interesting thought... By the way, in Russia (as, by the way, in Ukraine)
laws on copyright have been adopted. Which, among other things, protect
the rights of authors to programs. And in order for the program to be protected,
it is enough for there to be a small icon there, in the form of the letter c in a circle, “copyright” is called...

AH> I hope you are not going to implement the plan of Joker
AH> from Kharkov, who promised to bring the gang in a minibus if
AH> someone breaks the MK? :) But here you don’t know who you’ll run into ;)

Stupid plan :( Those interested can contact me, I’ll help with copyright protection... After all, I completed the relevant courses, a diploma
with honors and a great desire to live in a civilized society...

AH> spend time breaking CVs and make money on your product. And
AH> in general, why are you justifying yourself to all sorts of people who have nothing to do with this
AH>. The only person with whom you can have
AH> a serious market is Slava, so he really has every right to
AH> run over you, and the rest, as they say, just let them rise $#%#.

Official traders of the product also have this right.

With respect, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

>e-mail: as...@usa.net

Friday March 13, 1998 right at 21:13, George Shepelev wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AH>> for non-compliance with copyright on Speck, no one bears legal responsibility
AH>> yet. So it’s not clear what kind of punishment you
AH>> mean.

GS> Interesting thought... By the way, in Russia (as, by the way, in
GS> Ukraine) laws on copyright have been adopted. Which, among other things
GS> protect the rights of authors to programs. And in order for the
GS> program to be protected, it is enough for there to be a small icon there, in the form of
GS> the letter c in a circle, “copyright” is called...
To be honest, I’m not an expert in this matter, but as far as I know, a program with such an
icon (so that it is not just part of the graphics) must be registered with some
department, and for this you need to compile a bunch of documents. information and in my opinion even
pay, then such a program will be protected by the appropriate law, although maybe I
is wrong, then write, because maybe it’s really time to register the program (completely seriously!)

AH>> whoever you run into ;)

GS> Stupid plan :( Those interested can contact me, I’ll help with the protection
GS> copyright right... After all, I completed the relevant courses, a
GS> diploma with honors and a great desire to live in a civilized society...
With great pleasure, consider that I am the first person to contact you, howjust
let's publish a magazine.

AH>> they don't care, they need something new, and cheaper! And no one
AH>> is interested in your bazaars about honesty and hackers.

GS> Bazaars may not be of interest to anyone. But if you force
GS> the state to comply with its laws (and with a certain desire this
GS> can be achieved), violators of these laws will no longer be so
GS> self-confident...
And here IMHO have already gone endless again if, yes, if only you offered
real help in protecting (C) - this is good (if of course there is any), perhaps
the authors will believe if you prove it in action, this is it imho it will be useful. And when the country is a mess, it’s difficult to put things back on track.

Friday March 13, 1998 right at 12:44, Alex Letaev wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AH>> which you can have a serious market, this is Slava, here it is
AH>> really has every right to run over you, and
AH>> the rest, as they say, just let them rise $#%#.

AL> They also have such a right official traders of the product.
I agree.

AL> Best regards, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

SI>> collaboration group requires coders. All proposals are in netmail.

EM> Well, shall we believe it or what? My opinion is that punishment would not hurt, because
EM> the damage has already been done, it cannot be corrected... How is Slava?

Hmm? Have you repainted your hair? ;))

If I understand correctly, the greatest damage was done to you (Donetsk), then this
infection will spread to the nearest cities (Rostov, ...), then even further... I hope that
none of the traders will suffer much, because everything was ordered in relatively
small batches at a time as needed. Besides the city of Kirov:((
(2Leonid_Potekhin: if you have problems because of the Lugansk tricks, write
we’ll sort out the issue somehow)

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By the way, I was always interested in one question ;) What is better for a _trader_ today?

a) sale of copyright copies;
b) sale of licensed copies;
c) sale of pirated copies.

Of course, taking into account the details: the duration of the distribution monopoly,
prices, profits, product quality, etc. That is. I think I know what is best for the author :) What is best for the buyer - I can guess :) But for, for example, you and
other traders. Comparing, for example, options “a” and “b” (and “c” too, for the purity of the experiment). You can also add “g” (networkdistribution,
although here, IMHO, traders are almost out of work (?))

Warm greetings, Slava!

AH> Honestly, I’m not an expert in this matter, but as far as I know, a program with
AH> such an icon (so that it is not just part of the graphics) needs to be registered
AH> in some department, and for this you need to draw up a bunch of sop. information
AH> and I think I’ll even pay, then such a program will be protected
AH> by the appropriate law, although maybe I’m wrong, then write, because
AH> maybe it’s really time for the program to register (completely seriously!) who
AH> you’ll run into ;)

Finally, a business conversation has begun... Okay, I’ll throw in a small excerpt
from The law adopted in Ukraine (adopted in Russia - looks almost word for word). This is an official document that should be read carefully,
these are _not_ statements of some lamer... Yes, the original text was in
Ukrainian, my translation, claims are accepted ;)

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
LAW OF UKRAINE
ON COPYRIGHT AND RELATED RIGHTS

[...]

Section II
COPYRIGHT

[...]

Article 8. Scope of the Law
The protection provided for by this Law is provided to:
1) authors, regardless of citizenship and permanent place of residence, whose works are published for the first time or not published,
but are inobjective form on the territory of Ukraine;
2) authors whose works were first published in another
country and within thirty days thereafter published in Ukraine, regardless of the citizenship and permanent place of residence of the author;
3) authors who are citizens of Ukraine or have a permanent place of residence in the territory of Ukraine, regardless of
in which territory their works were first published.
Authors, regardless of nationalities, whose works are first
published or not published, but they are in an objective form
on the territory of another state, are provided with protection in accordance with international treaties of Ukraine.
This article also applies to other persons who have copyright.
Article 9. Emergence and exercise of copyright
1. Emergence and exercise of the rights provided for by this The law does not require the completion of any formalities.
2. A person who has copyright, to notify about his
rights, can use the copyright protection sign, which is placed on each copy of the work and consists of the Latin letter C in a
circle - (C), the name (name) of the person who owns the copyright,
and the year of the first publication of the work.
3. The person who owns the copyrightright or any exclusive authority to a work, to confirm authorship of a published or unpublished work, the fact and date of publication of a work, or contracts that affect the author's rights to a work, at any time during the period of copyright protection may register it in official state registers.
State registration is carried out in accordance with the established
procedure. The State Agency of Ukraine for Copyright and Related Rights, which compiles and periodically publishes catalogs of all registrations.
A certificate is issued regarding the registration of the author's rights. If a dispute arises, registration is recognized by the court as a legal presumption of authorship, that is, it is considered true unless the contrary is proven in court.
4. A person who owns a material object in which the work is expressed cannot prevent the person who has copyright from registering.
Article 10. Copyright and ownership of the work. material
object in which the work is expressed
Copyright and ownership of the material object in which the work is expressed do not depend on one another. Alienation of the material object in which the work is expressed does not mean alienationcopyright and vice versa.
Article 11. The author as the primary subject of copyright
1. The primary subject to whom copyright belongs is the author.
2. The author is considered to be the person designated as the author on a sample of a published work, on a manuscript or on the original of a work of art, unless otherwise proven in court.
Article 12. Co-authorship
1. Co-authors are persons whose joint work created the work. Relations between co-authors are determined by an agreement concluded between them. The right to publish and otherwise use the work belongs equally to all co-authors. One co-author may not, without reasonable grounds, deny others permission to publish, otherwise use, or modify the work. In case of violation of joint copyright, each co-author can prove his right in
judicial procedure.
2. Remuneration for the use of the work belongs to the co-authors in equal parts, unless otherwise provided in the agreement.
Article 13. Personal (non-property) rights of the author
The author has the following personal (non-property) rights:
1) to demand recognition of his authorship, mention of his name in connection with the use of the work, if this is practically possible;
2) prohibitmentioning his name if he, as the author of the work
wants to remain anonymous;
3) choose a pseudonym (fictitious name) in connection with the use of the work;
4) oppose any distortion, distortion or other
change of the work or any other attack on the work that may damage the honor and reputation of the author;
5) to publish works.
Article 14. Property rights of the author
1. The author or other person who holds copyright has exclusive rights to use the work in any
form and in any way.
2. The author or other person who holds copyright has the exclusive right to authorize or prohibit:
1) reproduction of works;
. . . . . . . . . . .
3) public demonstration;
. . . . . . . . . . .
7) distribution of works by sale, alienation in any other way or by leasing or renting and other transfer before the first
sale of copies of the work;
8) leasing after the first sale, alienation in any other way
copies of audiovisual works, musical works in
notated form, as well as works recorded on a phonogram or
in a machine-readable form;
9) import of copies of works.
This list is not exhaustive.
. . . . . . . . . . .

[...]

President of Ukraine L. Kravchuk
Kyiv December 23, 1993
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AH> We'll just publish the magazine. they don’t care, they need something new, and
AH> cheaper! And no one is interested in your bazaars about honesty and hackers.

Once upon a time, specifically Friday March 13, 1998 at 12:44 pm Alex Letaev
wrote Andy Harchenko:

AH>> The only person with whom you can have a serious market is
AH>> Slava, he really has every right to run over you (you)

AH> So far no one bears legal responsibility for copyright on Speck
AH>. So it’s not clear what kind of punishment you mean.

I just won’t buy anything from you, from your projects, many will do this,
in the end you will either take note and henceforth you will know the honor, or you will get angry
completely - you will break everything and everyone and die as a person.

Crystal Dreams, for example, lost at least half of the money that they
could have received for Smagli3. We had an agreement to fully purchase all rights if everything was in order with ChV. Now all they have to do is bite their elbows :(

AH> And even more so, I wouldn’t attack the subj’eviks. After all, people
AH> already took a heroic step, expelled several of their members from the ranks of
AH> the group, so imho they punished themselves anyway. And in principle, who are we
AH> to judge them???

Nobody, actually, does judges and doesn’t come down on us. We ignore it :)

AH> P.S.: If someone had come at us about this, he would have torn
AH> into hot water bottles! (for the future ;)

Sorry, this is already a conversation in kindergarten...

AH> I agree.

In this case, how did a letter come out from your address and under your name,
attacking Zhenya Safronov? After all, he is an _official_ product trader, an employee of
KGS Trading Department and, finally, my companion!

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Vyacheslav!

Sun Mar 15 1998, Vyacheslav Mednonogov squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene
Malkov:

VM> It’s really unpleasant - the ChV-2 project is frozen :(

That’s in vain! You’ll gradually collect money, that’s a fact. We still have time
ULO-2 is being bought (send interest? :) And if you give up the CV, what will you do? Will it pay off for nothing (well, not really :), but for your favorite
car.

VM> Hm, repainted?))

Is it clear? We take note.

VM> If I understand correctly, the greatest damage was done to you (Donetsk),
VM> then this infection will spread to the nearest cities (Rostov, ...), then further
VM> further... I hope none of the traders will suffer much, because all
VM> were ordered in relatively small quantities at a time as
VM> needed. Besides the city of Kirov:(((2Leonid_Potekhin: if you have problems because of
VM> Lugansk tricks - write, we’ll somehow settle the issue)

We’ll try to calm it down in Donetsk as much as possible, but it’s true that it’s no longer possible to stop the process
:( The proposal is in the soap.

VM> By the way, I’ve always been interested in one question ;) What’s best for _trader_
VM> today?

VM> a) sale of copyright copies;
VM> b) sale of licensed copies;
VM> c) sale of pirated copies.

VM> Of course, withtaking into account details: the duration of the monopoly on
VM> distribution, prices, profits, product quality, etc. I.e. I think I know what is best
VM> for the author :) What is best for the buyer - I can guess
VM> :) But for, for example, you and other traders. Comparing, for example, options “a” and “b” (well, “c” too, for the purity of the experiment).
VM> You can also add “d” (network distribution, although here,
VM> IMHO, traders are almost out of work (?))

A good option is to sell copyrighted copies until a
truly competing hack appears. Then switch to the distribution kit, so that the trader
could reduce the price below the pirated price and, thereby, stop the spread of the hack.
There are a lot of “buts” here, at least if the trader deliberately starts a rumor that there is a hack
to get rich. With CV, at least, everything is clear, I can even
send the Lugansk hack, if necessary, I can get it.

Actually, a distribution kit is more profitable for a trader, but in this case the author will not
collect a large amount :(

GS> Can you post some quotes from Russian and Ukrainian
GS> legislation? Engage in educational work among “hackers”...
GS> ;)

Mon Mar 16 1998, George Shepelev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Andy
Harchenko:

GS> P.S. If the Moderator allows it, I can post a more complete text. The
GS> archive contains about 40 kilobytes.

If it doesn’t allow it, kindly throw some soap at me, we will soon
have to face the protection of our copyrights.

Tuesday March 17, 1998 right at 19:00, Eugene Malkov wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AH>> not responsible. So it’s not clear what kind of punishment you
AH>> mean.

EM> I just won’t buy anything from you from your projects, so will
EM> many,
I hope you don’t mean to say that no one will buy all the products that *OHG* is preparing for release!?!?!?!? And there are a lot of them and they are very good!

I agree, this is an effective method, indeed the weight that will work makes a strong impression on
me personally, because... I'M AN AUTHOR, BUT I'm not a hacker or a pirate, and pirates rarely release anything of commercial value, so they don't give a damn about it. Innocent people and groups may suffer from this imho!!!

EM> in the end you will either take note and henceforth you will know honor,
EM> or you will get completely angry - you will break everything and everyone and die like
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
EM> personality.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - The lot of weak people

EM> Crystal Dreams, for example, lost at least half of the money
EM> that they could have received for Smagli3. We had an agreement to completely purchase all rights if everything was in order with ChV. Now all they have to do
EM> is bite their elbows :(
Hmm, this is cool! Not really cool!!! So you knew in advance that they broke
ChV? And presented it to themultimatum! Cool idea!

EM> No one, in fact, judges or attacks. Ignore :)
Yes, I think they already got theirs, although this is your business, but the group may
bend, and imho it’s not very good.

AH>> I agree.

EM> In that case, how did a letter come out
EM> from your address and under your name, attacking Zhenya Safronov? After all, he is an _official_ trader
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Did you yourself write that visiting in the echo is a kindergarten or what?
I simply expressed my opinion in the same form as he wrote, thereby hinting
that such things are inappropriate in the echo. We need to figure it out (if you really need to), then go to his house and figure it out properly, well, physically, or really speak out with soap.

EM> product, an employee of the KGS Trading Department and my companion, finally!
Well, firstly, I didn’t know then that he was an official trader, and secondly, I was offended by his proposal to punish. I just think that every person should deal with their problems themselves, and not rely on others. They spoiled your CD, so
go to them and sort it out, and imho there is no need to throw such calls into the echo.
And if I did offend him or you or anyone else, then I offer my sincere
apologies, I’m just an emotional person, especially since after pneumonia
I spent a whole month at home, just talked with fido and talked, you understand
I was in a mood disgusting. Well, now I seem to be getting better. And the joys of life again
make me happy :)

17 Mar 98 19:00, Eugene Malkov reported to Andy Harchenko about {Crystal Dream}:

EM> Crystal Dreams, for example, lost at least half of the money that
EM> they could have gotten for Smagli3. We had an agreement to completely purchase all
EM> rights,

On the one hand, this, of course, is cruel to the honest members of the CD. But
on the other hand, funds will not appear out of thin air - to pay real money
it takes time to collect/earn it by implementing other projects.

EM> Now all they have to do is bite their elbows :(

“No legs, no cookies” (c)...

Warm greetings, Slava!

I’m very interested in how many % of the total amount of software Zhenya Safronov has are
authored programs? After all, there are definitely a couple of dozen discs that were obtained through dishonest means, and according to your reasoning, how many groups should have died for this, because when you received money for these discs, you probably didn’t think that you had to go and deal with those who helped you replenish your wallet! The conclusion that follows from all this is that first you need to realistically assess the situation, whether you are fair and pure enough to administer justice to others. After all, we are all right, as long as it is in our interests!

I hope you guessed that it didn’t come out without my help and not without
reason. After all, you stood up for Zhenya and did what we did, our
Spectrum duty was to support CD in the current situation. After all, we must
maintain the morale of the types, no matter what they are.

I feel like you can’t figure this out without 100 grams :)
<<>>

I believe that as long as you didn’t give them this money, they didn’t lose anything. How can I
lose something that I don’t have??? If everything really turns out the way you described above, then there will be a mess with the software! When people receive a new program, they will break it
and mailing of pirated copies to cities will begin and imho so traders
will die early, so we hope for a good attitude of traders towards
software producers. It would be possible to come up with something simpler to teach the
CD a lesson. After all, you are touching with your “boot” innocent kidneys that are not involved in the crime. So try to quietly sort things out among yourselves and not pour all the dirt into the echo, so as not to create conflict situations! And then some people
lose the desire to hang on the Spectrum due to instability with the software. And all this
instability is due to little skirmishes like yours, so STOP
GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Section II
COPYRIGHT
[...]
Article 8. Scope of the Law
The protection provided for by this Law is provided to:
1) authors, regardless of citizenship and permanent place of residence, whose works are first published or not published,
but are in an objective form on the territory of Ukraine;
2) authors, whose works were first published in another
country and within thirty days thereafter published in Ukraine, regardless of the citizenship and permanent place of residence of the author;
3) authors who are citizens of Ukraine or have permanent residence in the territory of Ukraine, regardless of
in which territory their works were first published.
Authors, regardless of citizenship, whose works were first
published or not published, but they are in objective form on the territory of another state, protection is provided in accordance with international treaties of Ukraine.
This article also applies to other persons who have copyright.

EM> If he doesn’t allow it, be so kind as to throw soap at me, we will soon
EM> have to face the protection of our copyrights.

In Ukraine? Is the dispute serious? Is the amount of the claim substantial? Are the claims justified? Is there
legally acceptable evidence?

Then, guys, you don’t need to read the laws, but go to a good lawyer. Prepare a lot of money for the future (about $100 to start) and stock up on endurance and patience. The lawyer will tell you what documents need to be collected, what to do,
who to write and what.

I had direct dealings with this, so I advise you to sit down and _well_
think about whether you are ready to spend your time and your money (which, quite
possibly, will not be returned to you), while the probability of success for an ordinary citizen is
about 5% (But if it does come to a civil court, the facts will be collected and
there will be a competent lawyer - about 95%)

If the goal is simply to obtain moral satisfaction, if I were you,
perhaps I would choose other methods that are more effective in the gangster country in which
we live...

With respect, Tim. tyu...@usa.net [team Aries is Rulez Forever]

EM> :)
AH> Yes, I think they already got theirs, although this is your
AH> business, but the group may
AH> die, and imho it’s not very good.
I also think that it’s not the point to contribute to the group’s demise. We need to resolve this
conflict in favor of Spectrum (read - the authors, traders, and users).

All the best.
With respect, Roman Milukov.

21 Mar 98 21:44, Andy Harchenko reported to Eugene Malkov about {Crystal Dream}:

AH> I’m very interested in what % of the total amount of software Zhenya Safronov has,
AH> copyrighted programs? After all, there are definitely a couple of dozen discs that were not obtained by
AH> in an honest way

One redeems the other ;)))

Warm greetings, Slava!

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Andy!

Fri Mar 20, 1998, Andy Harchenko squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene Malkov
product, employee of the KGS Trading Department and my companion,
EM>> finally!
AH> Well, firstly, I didn’t know then that he was an official trader, and secondly
AH> I was offended by his proposal to punish. I just think that each person should deal with their
AH> problems themselves, and not rely on
AH> others. They spoiled your CD, so go to them and sort it out, and imho
AH> there is no need to throw such calls into the echo. And if I did offend him or you or
AH> finally offended anyone, then I offer my sincere apologies, I’m just
AH> an emotional person, especially since after pneumonia, I spent a whole
AH> at home for a whole
AH> month, just talking to fido and talking, you know
AH> I was in a disgusting mood. Well, now I seem to be getting better. And
AH> the joys of life make me happy again :)

Okay, there are no more suggestions :) And before you answer, first get to know
at least a little about the person, Ok? By the way, in his origin it is written who he
is :).

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, George!

Sat Mar 21, 1998, George Shepelev squeezed his keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene Malkov
:

GS> 2) authors whose works were first published in another
GS> country and within thirty days after that published in Ukraine-
GS> regardless of citizenship and permanent place of residence author;

GS> Next question, please. ;)

How can a program be considered published? We are not registered as
distributors of copyrighted software with the tax and other services. Therefore, according to the law, they did not have the right to distribute? Then it turns out there was no publication?

AH> Safronova, original programs?

100%, not counting frivolities. We have very little software, but everything was obtained in an honest way. We already had a flame about this, come to us and check it out.

AH> your wallet! The conclusion that follows from all this is that you first need to really
AH> evaluate the situation, whether you are so fair and pure as to administer
AH> justice over others. After all, we are all right, as long as it is in
AH> our interests!

We are pure in relation to the authors! Besides, we ourselves are the authors, albeit not yet
published programs.

AH> I hope you guessed that it wasn’t without my help that it came out and not without
AH> thoroughly. After all, you stood up for Zhenya and did what we did,
AH> our Spectrum duty was to support CD in the current situation. After all
AH> it is necessary to maintain the morale of the types, no matter what they are.

Well, it would be better if you took the side of Glory. We got into trading
exclusively in order to support the authors, and if by supporting one,
we infringe on another, then the one we support is more honest in relation to others!

AH> I feel like you can’t figure it out here without 100 grams :)

Bring it :) True, I don’t drink anything stronger than beer, but the main thing is participation! :)

EM>> full purchase of all rights, if everything is in order with the ChV. Now
EM>> all they have to do is bite their elbows :(

AH> I believe that as long as you didn’t give them this money, they didn’t lose anything.
AH> How can I lose something that I don’t have??? If it really was like that all

$100 was in their pocket - I keep my word!

AH> instability with the software. And all this instability is because of such
AH> little skirmishes, like yours, so STOP IT GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a _little_! (sorry for the expression)
FLOOR is leaving the software world!!! does not judge and does not attack. We ignore :)
AH> After ignoring the bad sectors, the program does not work!!!!
AH> The phrase has a global meaning, think about it!

So far, one sector has been ignored, with not very valuable information! But if this
“floppy disk” continues to crash the entire “system”, then the “disk drive” will have to
format it!

TY> In Ukraine? Is the dispute serious? Is the amount of the claim substantial? Are the claims justified?
TY> Is there legally acceptable evidence?

There is no dispute yet, but a commercial project is about to come out and we want to know how
the state can protect us!

TY> Then, guys, you don’t need to read the laws, but go to a good lawyer.
TY> Prepare a lot of money for the future (about $100 to start) and
TY> stock up on endurance and patience. The lawyer will tell you what documents
TY> need to be collected, what to do, who to write to and what.

I know this very well, I was involved in some other matter.

TY> I had direct dealings with this, so I advise you to sit down and _well_
TY> think about whether you are ready to spend your time and your money (which,
TY> quite possibly, will not be returned to you), while the likelihood of success for
TY> an ordinary citizen - about 5% (But if it does come to a civil court
TY>, the facts will be collected and there will be a competent lawyer - about 95%)

A lawyer will be there if you offer to half the amount of the claim - in this case
the case is usually in a hurry to be successful :)

TY> If the goal is simply to get moral satisfaction, if I were you
TY>, I would probably choose other methods, more effective in
TY> the gangster country in which we live...

We are against violence! At leastпока!

RM> I also think that it’s not a good idea to contribute to the demise of the group. We need
RM> to resolve
RM> this conflict in favor of Spectrum (read - the authors, and traders, and
RM> users).

We will buy the next project from them (of course, if the project is valuable).
But Smagli3 - alas...

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Vyacheslav!

Mon Mar 23, 1998, Vyacheslav Mednonogov squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Andy
Harchenko:

AH>> I’m very interested in what % of the total amount of software Zhenya has
AH>> Safronov’s own programs? After all, there are definitely a couple of dozen disks
AH>> that were obtained through dishonest means

VM> One redeems the other ;)))

You're wrong! There is nothing for my wife to bathe!

AH>> Yes, I think they already got theirs, although this is your
AH>> business, but the group can
AH>> be bent, and imho not very good.

AH>> I’m very interested in how many % of the total amount of software Zhenya
AH>> Safronov owns are copyrighted programs? After all, there are definitely a couple of dozen disks
AH>> that were obtained through illegitimate means
VM> One redeems the other ;)))

TY>> justified? Is there legally acceptable evidence?
EM> There is no dispute yet, but a commercial project is about to be released and we want
EM> to know how the state can protect us!

No way. You can only protect yourself. In the sense that the state organs will not fuss
to prove someone else’s guilt at all (and they will
put a spoke in your wheels).

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EM> How can a program be considered published? We are not registered as
EM> distributors of copyright software with tax and other services.
EM> Therefore, according to the law, we did not have the right to distribute? Then
EM> there was no publication?

Let's look at the terminology of the Law...

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Section I
GENERAL PROVISIONS
Article 1. Rights protected by this Law
This Law protects the personal (moral) and property rights
of authors and their legal successors associated with the creation and use
of works of science, literature and art (copyright), and the rights
of performers, producers of phonograms and broadcasting organizations (related
rights).
Article 2. Legislation of Ukraine on copyright and related
rights
The legislation of Ukraine on copyright and related rights consists
of this Law and other legislative acts of Ukraine that protect
personal (non-property) and property rights of persons who have copyright and related rights.
Article 3. Application of the rules of an international treaty
If an international treaty to which Ukraine is a party
establishes others rules than those contained inlegislation of Ukraine on copyright and related rights, then the rules
of the international treaty apply.
Article 4. Definition of terms
In this Law, terms are used in the following meaning:
author - an individual whose creative work created the work;
. . . . . . . . . . .
database - a collection of data, materials or works in a
machine-readable form;
. . . . . . . . . . .
exclusive right - a right when no person, other than the one who has copyright or related rights, can use the work without having the appropriate permission (license),
except for the cases established by this Law;
. . . . . . . . . . .
reproduction - the production of one or more copies of a work or phonogram in any material form, including sound and video recordings, as well as the recording of a work or phonogram for temporary or permanent storage in electronic (including digital), optical or other form that is read by a machine. A copy is the result of some kind of reproduction of a work; leasing is the transfer of ownership of an original or a copy of a work or phonogram for a certain period of time with the aim of obtaining direct or indirect commercialbenefits;
computer program - a set of instructions in the form of words, numbers, codes,
patterns, symbols or some other form, expressed in a form that
readable by a machine, and which operate it to achieve a specific
goal or result. This concept covers both the operating system
and the application program expressed in output or object code,
including preparatory materials and audiovisual images resulting from the development of a computer program. The concept of “computer program” does not apply to the concept of “database”;
publication of a work is an action that makes the work
available to the public, no matter how this is achieved;
publication (release of a work) is the release into circulation of copies of a work or phonogram with the consent of the author or other person who has copyright and related rights, in an amount which satisfies the reasonable needs of the public by sale, rental, public rental, or other transfer of ownership or right of possession of a copy of a work or phonogram. Publication also means providing access to a work or phonogram through electronic information systems;
the person who has copyright and related rights isauthor or performer in cases where the author
or performer, as well as the individual or legal entity to whom the property rights were
were transferred; a derivative work is a product of intellectual creativity based on another existing work (translation, adaptation, reworking, etc.). Its originality lies either in the creative reworking of a work that existed before, or in the creative translation of it into another language;

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So, firstly, the rights of authors (and the persons to whom they have delegated rights) are protected. Secondly, it does not matter in what way the work was published, it is important that it was done with the consent of the author...
So think about who acted according to the law, and therefore whose rights will be
protected by the Law...

Sincerely, George

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, George!

Wed Mar 25 1998, George Shepelev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene Malkov
:

GS> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

GS> So, firstly, the rights of the authors (and the persons to whom they
GS> delegated rights) are protected. Secondly, it doesn’t matter how the work
GS> was published, it is important that it was done with the consent of the author...
GS> So think about who acted according to the law, and therefore whose rights will
GS> be protected by the Law...

Everything is clear, I’ll go and show the pirate the extracts from the law, fold them into four and
put them in my pocket... That’s all that is available to us. Slava, of course, will not sue, and we, it seems, are an uninterested person, and we don’t have the money for all
this red tape :(
Wow, I’m definitely ready to punch people in the face! :) If only this method would lead to anything... But I don’t believe in it.

Since Slava finally decided to switch to the PC, she was born phrase:

“I only hate PC because Vyacheslav Mednonogov went there...”

A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be honest, I want to fold my arms :(

ES> Slava, you're offending us, we only sell _copyright_ software.

Sorry.

Warm greetings, Slava!

(-: Powered by Windows'95 :-)

AH>> without thoroughness. After all, you stood up for Zhenya and did what
AH>> we did, our Spectrum duty was to support CD in
AH>> the current situation. After all, we need to maintain the morale of the types,
AH>> whatever they are.
ES> I agree, maybe they got carried away, but understand what it was like to find out
ES> that the hacked version was brought and sold to a pirate by the person who
ES> shortly before this came to us and himself promised to find out and stop
ES> the distribution of the broken version of the CV.

Write about it more details.

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With a cheerful smile, but a sad look, Stanley.

[Team:E-652] [Team:Politburo] [Team:Patopsycho] [Team:Crystal Dream]

ES>> find out that the hacked version was brought and sold to a pirate by that person
ES>> who approached us shortly before and promised
ES>> to find out and stop the distribution of the broken version of the CV.

SI> Write about this in more detail.

Better in person.

I am writing:
As far as you remember, this Dima brought a disk with a magazine from you. By that time, rumors had already begun to reach us that in Lugansk there was a broken
version of the ChV. Considering this Dima an honest person (and at first glance he turned out to be just that:(( ) we asked him to find out more about this. He naturally
promised us this, so we parted on pretty good terms.
After some time (a week/two) a guy comes up to us and reports that Alos (the thief) was offered a broken CV for 40g. He didn’t take it - he said expensive.
When this guy described to us a man who was offering a broken CV, suspicions immediately arose - he was very similar to Dima, who promised us to find out about the fate of the broken CV.
A couple of markets later, this person was seen standing next to Alos (the thief) and he did not approach us - this already left a bad taste in his soul. (the thief) puts up for sale the hacked version of
ChV. Since then, Dima has not appeared on the market (and if he does appear, he bypasses us from
the other side of the market, which in itself would be strange if he had not been involved in anything).
Draw your own conclusions :((

Well, packaged, Stanley, packaged!
[Team thief Alos MUST DIE!]

ES> I am writing:
ES> As far as you remember, this Dima brought a disk with
ES> magazine from you. By that time, rumors had already begun to reach us that in
ES> Lugansk there was a broken version of the ChV. Considering this Dima an honest
ES> person (and at first glance he turned out to be just that:(( ) we
ES> asked him to find out more about this. He naturally promised us
ES> this, so we parted on pretty good terms.
ES> After some time (a week/two) a guy comes up to us and
ES> reports that Alos (the thief) was offered broken CV for 40g. He didn't take it
ES> - he said it was expensive. When this guy described to us the person
ES> who was offering the broken CV, suspicions immediately arose - he looked very much like Dima, who promised us to find out about the fate of the broken CV.
ES> After a couple of markets, this subject was seen standing next to
ES> Alos (the thief) and something was wrong with him. discussing. He did not approach us - this
ES> has already left a bad taste in our soul. At the next market, Alos (thief)
ES> brings for sale the hacked version of CV. From then on, Dima does not appear on the market (and if he does appear, he bypasses us from the other side of the market,
ES> which in itself would be strange if he was not involved in anything).
ES> Draw your own conclusions. :((

Conclusions? CD - notguilty! Dima - for cutlets...

I saw that Sat Apr 04 1998 Stanley Ivanenko wrote to me this:

SI> Conclusions? CD - not guilty! Dima - for cutlets...
Unfortunately, there is also your fault (and not so small :( ), but about
this Dima you are right - for his cutlets, for soap, etc., etc., but if you can
catch him and bring him to Donetsk - you are welcome, we have something
to talk about with him, and we haven’t eaten cutlets of all kinds there for a long time :)

Do you remember Mon Apr 06 1998 at 20:24, Eugene Safronov wrote a message for Stanley
Ivanenko:

SI>> Conclusions? CD - not guilty! Dima - for cutlets...
ES> Unfortunately, there is also your fault (and not so small :( ),
ES> but about this Dima, you are right - for his cutlets, for soap, etc., etc.,
ES> but if you can catch him and bring him to Donetsk - you are welcome
ES> we ask him, we have something to talk about, and cutlets from We haven’t eaten any kind of dim there for a long time :)

What should we do there in Donetsk... After all, the distillery is in Lugansk... Come.