What the big press writes...

So, finally, “Game World Navigator” #9 has reached St. Petersburg. And
indeed, on pp. 48-51 there is a large article about the Spectrum (author Peter Davydov).
The first part of the article is traditionally devoted to history. There is no point in citing it, because every self-respecting Sinclairist knows the history of the Spectrum + K. Sinclair by heart :))
The second part has a rather loud title "ZX Spectrum. The path to the future." In a benevolent manner (although P. Davydov is famous for his devastating reviews :) it tells about the present of Spectrum in Russia and the prospects for its development. I won’t retell it (whoever needs it will read it himself), I’ll give a few
quotes:
“...our country took the baton in its production. Let’s start with the fact that
now in St. Petersburg not only mass production of Spectrum-compatible machines “Scorpion” is underway, but also the development of a computer
of the new generation “Sprinter” is being completed.
“Next - more... in Moscow now there is a whole network of spektrumists,
ZX-Net. It numbers approximately 600 people"
"...unfortunately, it is not yet possible to access the Internet from the Spectrum, but who
knows what will happen in about six months..!"
"There are quite a few Spectrumists in our country. According to the most approximate estimates, in the CIS
there are currentlythere are four to five thousand. In Moscow there are approximately 500 people
networkers - 600? %>, in St. Petersburg there are more than a thousand..."
"What conversions are there? UFO 1 and 2, DOOM, Warcraft, Mortal Kombat... Among the original games, “Star Legacy” especially stands out. Soon
there should be a game... "Black Raven"..."
"...new software is being actively created for the Spectrum.
Mainly for working in networks."
"...an international festival is held annually, which attracts
Spectrumists from all over the world... in August 1998, a festival of
Russian Spectrumists, FunTop 98, will be held in Moscow. We strongly advise you not to miss - you will learn
a lot of new things."
The following is a list of the most famous electronic publications on the ZX.
The article ends with a statement from the “famous Moscow spektrumist
Sergei Novikov”:
“It is impossible to create in the full sense of the word on the PC. You can't achieve anything alone, and the released program is lost in the crowd of the same or even better ones.
Work on the Spectrum is needed by others, they are respected for it. On the Spectrum it is easier to achieve fame and respect from others. Everyone here is our own..."
At the end, the author expresses gratitude to "all the spektrumists who took part
in the discussion. They were: Sergei Novikov, Roman Alexandrov,Wladimir Bulchukey,
Andrew Savitchev, Eugene Tukaev, Vladimir Kacev, Alexey Ivanov, Tim Kelly,
Alexey Logotin"
Well, it’s nice that the big press remembers the little Spectrum. It’s doubly
pleasant that such an article appeared in the "Game World Navigator" - in
the thickest and most prestigious magazine, dedicated to gaming software.

* Crossposted in ZX.SPECTRUM
* Crossposted in SPBZXNET.GENERAL
Warm greetings, Slava!

It so happened that on Saturday January 24, 1998 at 18:23 Vyacheslav Mednonogov
wrote to All on the topic: “What the big press writes...”
So I press the keys...

VM> Get Msg, All!

VM> So, finally, “Game World Navigator” #9 has reached St. Petersburg. And

[...]

VM> At the end, the author expresses gratitude to “all spektrumists
VM> who took part in the discussion. They were: Sergei Novikov, Roman
VM> Alexandrov,
VM> Wladimir Bulchukey, Andrew Savitchev, Eugene Tukaev, Vladimir Kacev,
VM> Alexey Ivanov, Tim Kelly, Alexey Logotin" What Well, it’s nice that it’s big

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That’s a shame. ;) They couldn’t even write their last name correctly. :( Typo in
the magazine itself.

All the best to you!
Alexey.

... Use the Force! Trust your feelings. And turn off the computer...

[missing...]

VM> prospects for its development. I won’t retell it (who needs it, he
VM> will read it himself), I’ll give a few quotes:

[omitted...]

If this is all that you chose from there that is worthy, then the article is rare nonsense, moreover
with numerous errors (and he was specially consulted) ;(

VM> The article ends with a statement from the “famous Moscow
VM> spektrumist Sergei Novikov":

VM> "You can't create anything on a PC in the full sense of the word. You can't achieve anything
VM> alone, and the released program is lost in the crowd of the same or even
VM> others need it, they respect it for it. On the Spectrum
VM> it's easier to achieve fame and respect from others...”

2SN: Sorry, Sergey... But. this phrase is some kind of disgrace ;( One hope - none of the
authors of the most famous software reads such waste paper ;)

VM> Well, it’s nice that the big press remembers the small Spectrum.

Paper and written - no more...

VM> It’s doubly nice that such an article appeared in the “Navigator
VM> of the gaming world” - in the thickest and a prestigious magazine dedicated to
VM> gaming software.

Game.exe, however, will be more prestigious... Although, maybe not thicker ;) In general,
"there" the prestige of mass advertising publications is easy to assess...If a magazine does not
have its own website where you can read it, therefore it lives off the circulation
and not from advertisers, such a publication is worthless.

PS: All that this article will bring us is a dozen or two letters here under the subject “what
to do with the files .$b and .$c? Heeeelp!”

VM> With warm greetings,
VM> Slava!

With respect, Dmitry (OLDMAN).
ZXNet: 095/100.1
old...@i-connect.ru

DG> If this is all that you have chosen from there that is worthy, then the article is rare nonsense,

You, as a journalist, know better... IMHO, you say so because you know all the
material. But the article is intended for a completely different audience.

DG> also, with numerous errors

Not so many. The number of Moscow spektrumists is mixed up and some
demo versions of toys (Doom, WarCraft) are presented as complete. In general, there are no attacks (!) and comparisons with the PC, everything is presented as it is (!). IMHO, only
it was necessary to make the ratio of history/today not 3:1, but 1:3. But PD soap
said that there was no more material :((

DG> Game.exe, however, will be more prestigious...

It sucks. It smells like Computerra a kilometer away :)

DG> If the magazine does not have its own website where you can read it,
DG> therefore lives off the circulation, and not from advertisers - it’s worthless
DG> such a publication is worthless.

If the magazine is bought for information, and not for advertising, then...

DG> PS: All that this article will bring us is a dozen or two letters here under the subject “a
DG> what to do with the files .$b and .$c? Heeeelp!”

It’s unlikely - there are no addresses there, names of echoes too :)

With warm regards, Glory!

AL> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AL> That’s a shame. ;) They couldn’t even write their last name correctly. :( Typo
AL> in the magazine itself.

You are not alone :)

Warm greetings, Slava!

VM>> Alexandrov, Wladimir Bulchukey, Andrew Savitchev, Eugene Tukaev,
VM>> Vladimir Kacev, Alexey Ivanov, Tim Kelly, Alexey Logotin"
AL> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AL> They couldn’t even write the last name correctly. :(

^^^^
Oh yes, a mistake... ;( Sorry. But why “even”? :-)

With respect, Petr Davydov

VM> And indeed, on pp. 48-51 there is a great article about the Spectrum (author
VM> Peter Davydov). The first part of the article is traditionally devoted to history.
VM> There is no point in citing it, because Every
VM> self-respecting Sinclairist knows the history of the Spectrum + K. Sinclair by heart :))
VM> The second part has a rather loud title "ZX Spectrum. The path
VM> to the future." In a benevolent manner (although P. Davydov is famous for his
VM> devastating reviews :) it talks about the present of the Spectrum in
VM> Russia and the prospects for its
VM> development. I won’t retell it (whoever needs it will read it himself), I’ll give
VM> a few quotes:
VM> “...our country took the baton in its production. Let’s start with
VM> the fact that now in St. Petersburg not only is mass
VM> production of Spectrum-compatible machines “Scorpion” underway, but also
VM> the development of a new generation computer is being completed “Sprinter.”
VM> “Further - more... in Moscow now there is a whole network
VM> of spektrumists, ZX-Net. It numbers approximately 600 people."
VM> "...unfortunately, it is not yet possible to access the Internet from the Spectrum, but
VM> who knows what will happen in about six months..!"
VM> "There are quite a few Spectrum players in our country. According to the mostAccording to approximate
VM> estimates, there are now four to five thousand of them in the CIS. In
VM> Moscow there are approximately 500 people , in St. Petersburg
VM> more than a thousand..."
VM> "What conversions are there? UFO 1 and 2, DOOM, Warcraft, Mortal
VM> Kombat... Among the original games, “Star
VM> Legacy” especially stands out. A game should appear soon... "Black Raven"..."
VM> "...new software is being actively created for the Spectrum.
VM> Mainly for working in networks."
VM> "... an international festival is held annually, which
VM> brings together spektrumists from all over the world... in August 1998 in Moscow
VM> there will be a festival of Russian spektrumists, FunTop 98. We strongly advise
VM> not to miss it - you will learn a lot of new things."
VM> The following is a list of the most famous electronic publications on
VM> ZX.

uh-huh :)
here I recovered after the session, in my free time I went through the demos of the ChV (how far I have sunk :)) so, maybe someone will beat my record - I completed
demo 005 in 1 hour 20 minutes exactly! :)

So, after repeated playthroughs :) CV, I came across a problem:
I sent a worker on a long journey - to build a hut, the place was set,
the money “gone”, BUT on the way the worker began to be chased by opponents, subsequently
which I broke, so here it is: he (the worker) forgot what he needs to do,
is this how it should be?
the rest then, there is no time;(
>
>
> Warm greetings, Slava!
Eugene aka Point777/CRB/PHT

VM> Not so much. The number of Moscow spektrumists is mixed up and some
VM> demo versions of toys (Doom, WarCraft) are presented as complete. In general, there are no attacks (!) and comparisons with the PC, everything is presented as it is (!).

They’ll just come here for Doom and break off and say “I thought so, babblers”...
But we weren’t the ones talking... And they distorted the name of the network, not only did they call it
Moscow ;( Even such dummies as “navigators” don’t write "Inter-Net" is just
elementary illiteracy...

VM> IMHO, it was only necessary to make the ratio of history/today not
VM> 3:1, but 1:3. But PD bluntly said that there was no more material :((

;) Numerous (probably no less than domestic pisish)
Spectrum publications There seems to be enough material for now...

Sunday 01 February 1998 14:40, Peter Davidov wrote to Alexey Legotin:

VM>>> Vladimir Kacev, Alexey Ivanov, Tim Kelly, Alexey Logotin"
AL>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AL>> They couldn’t even give a last name write correctly. :(

PD> ^^^^
PD> Yes, a mistake... ;(

And far from the only one, by the way... You reminded me of the unforgettable, in general,
ZX-Review... As they said about them - “they are not friendly with letters” ;)

PD> Sorry. But why “even”? :-)

A because the only benefit would be from your article ;)

PD> Sincerely, Petr Davydov

Friday 06 February 1998 08:08, Dmitry Grigoryev wrote to Vyacheslav Mednonogov:

DG> There are dozens of similar mistakes, it is clear that the publication is made by schoolchildren who have not
DG> seen other, at least gaming, platforms.

Schoolchildren?! How old are you, old man? :)

DG> old...@i-connect.ru

^^^^^^
Ah, well, well...

P.S. I would write something at pdav...@ilm.net Let's talk.

With respect, Petr Davydov

DG>> schoolchildren who have not seen other, at least gaming, platforms.

PD> Schoolchildren?! How old are you, old man? :)

He's definitely an old man ;)

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

Somehow somewhere Dmitry Grigoryev wrote to Vyacheslav Mednonogov:

DG> I assessed it exactly as a reader. Moreover, he had already forgotten (as if) about
DG> Spectrum. What do you think someone like that might think after reading this? “Ah
DG> (they clasped their hands) this sweet Spectrum naivety...”, as one
DG> put it here...

I may not have accurately grasped the shade of your phrase, and just in case I want to
make a clarification: I did not clasp my hands. I'm just really annoyed by phrases like 'of course, Spectrum code is the most efficient code in the world! and Spectrum coders are the best scribblers of efficient code in the world!' and
the word 'of course' is obligatory. and 2 exclamation marks are desirable. This is childhood, forgive me. but otherwise I'm completely loyal to Specky :)

──══─═══┤ *_Jeweller_* aka EX-VfNG/NEW at home. [Echo], Brest, RB. ├═══─══──

Sunday 08 February 1998 01:19, Vladyslav Yakubovich wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:

VY> I may not have accurately grasped the shade of your phrase, and just in case I would like to
VY> add a clarification: I did not splash my hands. They're just making fun of me

Yes? Well, that means it seemed to me...

VY> phrases like 'of course, the Spectrum code is the most efficient code in the
VY> world! and Spectrum coders are the best scribblers
VY> of effective code in the world!' and

That's true. Naturally, not only Spectrum ones, but also BK ones and
commodores. This is logical - the lack of machine resources forces you to hone your coding skills.

VY> the word 'of course' is required. and 2 exclamation marks are desirable.
VY> this is childhood, forgive me. and for the rest I am completely loyal to Specky
VY> :)

I don’t understand that you’re annoyed... Of course, one could invite a pussy coder here “to a
competition”, but you understand... after it’s taken apart for parts, his penultimate argument will be “but the pussy is still cooler
Spectrum!” The penultimate one, because next will follow the already boring
flame.

VY> ──══─═══┤ *_Jeweller_* aka EX-VfNG/NEW at home. [Echo], Brest, RB.
VY> ├═══─══──

VY>> sign. This is childhood, forgive me. and for the rest I am completely loyal to Specky
VY>> :)
DG> I don’t understand that you’re annoyed...

such categorical statements.

DG> Of course, you could invite here “to the competition” the pissy
DG> coder,

Vasya Pupkin? find someone respectable who will agree to compare their pussies.

DG> but you see... after it’s dismantled here for parts,

I’m crazy! no, honestly, I’m a bastard :(

DG> his penultimate argument will be “but the pussy is still cooler
DG> Spectrum!”.

such a phrase can be uttered in kindergarten, and not among serious people.

in order to avoid the stupid general echo flame, we go to the soap. to letters in the echo I don't answer.

──══─═══┤ *_Jeweller_* aka EX-VfNG/NEW at home. ├═══─══──

Tol'ko ne stoit vozzhigat' v sebe pravednogo gneva: zdes' est' dostatochno
trezvyx znayushix lyudei. Just oni v takie spory ne vlazyat - detstvo
eto. S odnoi storony - koderovskoe (kak lyudei do six por ne ponyavshix
chto iskusstvo programmirovaniya sostoit daleko ne v vylizyvanii ciklov
iz programmy v mashinnom kode). S drugoi storony - lyudei kotorye voobshe
niche osobogo iz sebya ne predstavlyayut, i nichego tolkom ne pisali, no
vozmeshayut etot konfuz "patriotizmom".

Wednesday 25 February 1998 03:26, Marat Fayzullin wrote to All:

MF> I will be eto tem what i est' - kompaniei ogranichenyx fanatov
MF> terzayushei prishlogo ogranichenogo fanata.

And in my opinion, It would be an interesting experiment ;) But it could end badly...

MF> Tol'ko ne stoit vozzhigat' v sebe pravednogo gneva: zdes' est' dostatochno

Are you addressing me? Where did I “ignite” what? I gave a logical argument:
"The lack of machine resources forces you to hone your coding skills." Do you have any objections to it? Or will we object in general terms, remember kindergarten
?

MF> trezvyx znayushix lyudei.

But it’s not you ;)

MF> Just oni v takie spory ne vlazyat - detstvo eto.

Otherwise I wouldn’t fit in ;)

MF> S odnoi storony - koderovskoe (kak lyudei do six por ne ponyavshix
MF> chto iskusstvo programmirovaniya sostoit daleko ne v vylizyvanii
MF> ciklov iz programmy v mashinnom kode).

How do people still not understand that the art of programming consists far
not in “assembling” applications in Java and cramming features into them without regard to resources
of the user's machine, but also in "polishing" your creation, eliminating glitches,
optimizing for speed and size? Shall we compete in demagoguery?

What does “the art of programming in general” have to do with it?We are talking about _coding_ -
the art of licking code, the art of programming at the level of processor commands
and, in fact, the codes of these commands. It is stupid to compare a real-life programmer with a coder - the first will _always_ lose in speed and size of the finished program, the second - in the time spent on development, and the more complex the project, the more time it will take the coder. So you need to compare (?) coders -
moreover, pisishny never had to deal with Spectrum and other
microcomputers (this is clearly not you ;), in general, start coding at least at
a good quarter.

MF> S drugoi storony - lyudei kotorye voobshe niche osobogo iz sebya ne
MF> predstavlyayut, i nichego tolkom ne pisali, no vozmeshayut etot
MF> konfuz "patriotizmom".

Well, what does this passage have to do with the encoder level? What does he
prove/refute? Although it’s clear... there are no arguments, let’s move on to “who are YOU?”...

You start with how, according to my theory, the dispute should have ended. Which
needed to be proven.

VY> each platform has its own codolysis and, believe me, they work no worse,

I don’t believe it. Because I use their products all the time. So many
glitches... what can I say :(

VY> than on the zx. This misconception can arise due to, so to speak,
VY> lack of information. While I didn’t have another car besides the
VY> Speccy, I thought so too. Now I realized that I was wrong.

What did you think, what were you wrong about and what I understand - these are your problems, I'm not
interested. Do you have information that the general level of coding on the Spectrum is
lower than on the PC? I'm listening carefully.

DG>> I don't understand that you're annoyed...

VY> such categorical statements.

Refute...

DG>> Of course, you could invite the pisser here "to the competition"
DG>> coder,

VY> Vasya Pupkin? Find someone reputable,

I’m not going to look for me... But you don’t need to look for the Spectrum one, here they are
all nearby...

VY> who will agree to compare their pipsies. spare parts,

VY> I'm crazy! no, honestly, I'm kidding :(

And I like your reaction ;) It's funny how people lose the gift of meaningful
speech because of a trifle ;)

DG>> his penultimate argument will be “but a pussy is still cooler
DG>>Spectrum!".

VY> such a phrase could be uttered in a kindergarten, and not among serious
VY> people.

And you think that this will prevent it from being uttered? You are mistaken - read
Marat's letter. The meaning is the same.

VY> in order to avoid the stupid general echo flame, let's go to the soap. I don’t answer letters in
VY> echo.

Are you a recognized pisish coder? And you haven’t even seen a Spectrum ASMA? Then
what’s the point of the two of us talking if I’m not even a recognized Spectrum coder?

VY> ──══─═══┤ *_Jeweller_* aka EX-VfNG/NEW at home. [Echo], Brest, RB.
VY> ├═══─══──

Naturally. It's just that different processor command systems/architecture
systems require completely different styles of writing programs. We
mean programs in Assembly.
It is enough to try after the Z80 to write an _effective_ program
on i486 or PIC (two extremes) to feel it in your own skin...
It’s another matter when a programmer “turns up his nose” at Assembly and uses
exclusively high-level languages, without even trying to understand how his
program will work. Often, programs written by such “professionals”
are terribly slow, no optimizing compiler can help...

Sincerely, George

22 Feb 98. I’m sitting here, thinking about the vanity of all things, and suddenly I see - Dmitry
Grigoryev is peacefully talking with Vladyslav Yakubovich about what the big
press writes... On their necks for this...:

DG> Опровергни...

на тебе эффектик стаpенький, на 126 байт, как пpимеp вылизывания кода:

=== Cut ===
Имя исходного файла : CROSS1.COM
Размер : 126 (1Kb)
Дата создания : 08-Мар-96 02:48:30
Дата кодирования : 02-Мар-98 14:20:20
Размер UU-кода : 1Kb
Количество секций : 1
Число строк в одной секции : 3

section 1 of file cross1.com < uuencode by Dos Navigator >

filetime 543692303
end
sum -r/size 33273/201 section (from "begin" to "end")
sum -r/size 59658/126 entire input file

=== Cut ===

на многих балбесинах Москвы, и не только, можно найти кyчи демок. возьми и
посмотpи. и внyтpи тоже. еще как стаpаются! это о кодинге.

VY> I was not speechless, but sat and quite meaningfully went crazy. and even said something
VY> out loud :)

I see. There is no way to bring into the world a cool pisish coder, “not tainted” by connections with micromachines...

VY> and then - this is not a trifle. The greatest blow for me was that

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I hope you are in good health? I wouldn’t like to take you to the clinic ;)

VY> having come from the Spectrum to the PC, I turned out to be far from being so cool there,

Again, you’re talking about your own experience... Well, it’s not interesting to me, you know? And he doesn't prove anything to me.

VY> how he imagined himself. Moreover, I was quickly placed from heaven to
VY> earth. in particular, my knowledge of program optimization, acquired with sweat
VY> and blood, turned out to be taught in the 1st year at the university. and

I don’t believe it. No, well, maybe they spoke some general words, but they couldn’t teach specific techniques - they were too dependent on a specific machine. Give
examples.

VY> it turned out that there are many people who understand optimization much
VY> better than me.

You? Maybe... So what - did you have some new thoughts on optimization that have not yet been used by any of the Spectrumists? Share.

VY> I don’t want other guys, for some reasonforced for reasons, or
VY> wanting to work on other platforms, stepped on the same rake as me.
VY> you need to take a broader look, and not be a compact spectromist, bkshnik, amizhnik
VY> or, finally, a pisishnik.

Damn, and I don’t want such guys were embarrassed to say that they had achieved
mastery on the Spectrum! If you are disappointed in your capabilities, there is no need to
impose this on others, this is your personal grief.

I'm not sure what to do (OLDMAN).
ZXNet: 095/100.1
old...@i-connect.ru

Vidite, kak xorosho korreliruyutsya Vashi slova s Vashim mirovozzreniem.
Dlya Vas ne sushestvuet komp'yuterov voobshe. Dlya Vas sushestvuet
"Spectrum", "chetverka" (a che takoe "chetverka" kstati? =)). I, kak
polagaetsya, "kodery" dolzhny lyubit' tol'ko "svoi" komp'yuter.

Da bog s Vami, s "koderami"...

: MF> S drugoi storony - lyudei kotorye voobshe niche osobogo iz sebya ne

Tuesday March 03, 1998 07:11 pm, Marat Fayzullin wrote to All:

MF>: And in my opinion, it would be an interesting experiment ;) But it could end
MF> badly...
MF> Yes bylo many times. Eto, ponimaete, uzhe dazhe ne original'no.

What, a competition of coders coming from different platforms? Perhaps, but it’s unlikely
there was a focus on this.

MF> BTW, chem deadvee platforma, tem yarche nakal strastei :)

Marat, do you program for Windows? No? Then you are just as “dead”, known only in your very narrow circle. And you're going broke more than me, don't you think?

MF>: "The lack of machine resources forces you to hone your coding skills
MF>."
MF> Do you have any objections to it? Or will we object in general terms,
MF> kindergarten: remember?

MF> Net, ya prosto otvechu chto "coding" - eto detskoe
MF> zanyatie. Programmirovaniem nuzhno zanimat'sya, a ne "codingom".

I see. So there are no objections. But there is a desire to object. As one very literate person likes to say, go to the garden.

DG> Well, since he doesn’t answer, can you explain to me how the art
DG> of programming in Java relates to coding, calculating clock cycles?
DG> Who argues about programmers? They talk _only_ about coders, maximum
DG> ASMA programmers. Is this so difficult to understand?

Well, for example, I’ve already found three glitches in Borman :) and it cost me
a couple of days in the debugger. if it weren’t for the Spectrum experience, I would still be sitting there.

this is how they treat me :(

▌█▐▐║▌█▐▐▌▐ W!7h 7he Be$7 W!$he$ fR0M CREATOR product
▌812/03.00▐ Powered by Cyrix 6x86L 200+/16DIMM/S3TrV2 2mb/SBpro/Q1.6Gb/USR28.8

... If you want a lot, you get little, if you want little, nothing at all you will receive.

PF> what did he do to say that??? We know what you and any encoder on the
PF> spec present in this echo did (I’ll naturally keep silent about myself
PF> so I didn’t do that much)
Mmmmm... Can I allow myself a little remark? "Programming technology does not depend on a particular machine." Therefore, the fact that you will
be taught on IBM to structure/optimize programs, that you will learn this
yourself on the Spectrum, there is little difference. More precisely, there is a difference - if you were able to transfer
the experience gained at the institute to the Spectrum platform, then you can do it on another
(since you know the theory), but if you got to this point on your own... I'm afraid, on
another platform you will have to start over.

Good luck ! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

EM> I would say more - spektrumists are the _only_ coders in the world. All
EM> the rest have died out a long time ago (well, except that the hackers remain). The technology
EM> of programming is moving by leaps and bounds towards the fact that soon a person
EM> will not write a single line at all...

I forgot the Amizhniks, the back-up officers, the commodores, and the pisishniks too
sometimes code, so don’t rub in rose-colored glasses on yourself, ok?

Good Luck...

... IBM: Imbecilic Bloody Machine.

EM> Mmmmm... May I allow myself a little remark? "The
EM> programming technology does not depend on a particular machine." Therefore, the fact that you
EM> will be taught on IBM to structure/optimize programs, that you
EM> will learn this yourself on the Spectrum, there is little difference. More precisely, there is a difference -
EM> if you were able to transfer the experience gained at the institute to the platform
EM> Spectrum, then you can do it on another (since you know the theory), but
EM> if you got to this point yourself... I'm afraid, on another platform you will need
EM> to start over.

on another platform I did not start anything first, I’m already making an editor
under ASCM.

EM> Because they will
EM> teach you how to structure/optimize programs on IBM,
EM> that you will learn this
EM> yourself on Spectrum, there is little difference. More precisely, there is a difference -
Screw you!
this only applies to demo/Games things.
Give an analogy on the ZX for an algorithm for optimizing the search for a server on the Internet, or
say, optimizing the search and classification of star clusters in photographs from
some radio telescope.
And what are you you say that it does not depend on a specific machine - this is nonsense. Of course, there is some truth in it if we say that you work everywhere in ASMA. But on the PC there are multiplications with one command via SAP, and working
on it, you will rely on this command and
use it without any special losses in optimization.
And on the ZX, the implementation of a similar task will require either elaboration
of the algorithm itself, to get rid of multiplications, or optimization
of exactly these multiplications (tables, loops, shifts, etc).
in some machines it is enough for the video processor to set three-dimensional coordinates,
the color and brightness of a specific point, but on
ZX? - optimization of this process...
Continue?
As a result, we come to the finale - on each specific machine, optimization
has to be done differently.
(For example, have you seen the demo of the game "CITADEL" by Stalker? So,
if the Spectrum had not eight points per byte, but a byte per point, then
the constructionscreen would be completed _faster_ by about a quarter.)

text: I’ll go have a beer...

With best regards, Denis.

EM>> world. All the others have died out a long time ago (well, except that the hackers
EM>> remain). Programming technology is moving by leaps and bounds
EM>> to the point that soon a person will not write a single
EM>> line at all...

MR> I forgot the Amizhniks, the backers, the commodores, and the pisishniks too
MR> sometimes they code, so you don’t need pink ones rub your glasses in, ok?
exactly

Evgeny

VY>> complex algorithms are implemented.
DG> This is a relative concept. It's about the mastery of coding,
DG> optimization, if you will. Fine. Let me formulate the question differently. I
DG> claim that _pisish_ coders who have mastered coding on machines less
DG> powerful than 386, including on the Spectrum, _necessarily_ know their
DG> job better than coders who first learned assembler on triples, quads,
DG> Pentiums. Do you have any objections, not empty words?

Please tell me when the threes, fours, stumps appeared? I mean, have they become accessible to a wide range of people? about five or six years ago, right? So,
there are practically no people who have started to study assembly language in threes, fours, stumps. and about optimization. Nowadays, no one counts clock cycles anymore: a bunch of processors
leads to a bunch of timings. Yes, and it’s not rational. the mastery of optimization is transferred to another plane - to the optimization of algorithms. and here they are perverted... counting cycles - yes, this is necessary on low-power machines. but
this is not what determines the skill of a coder...

PF> I wonder why for me, for Dima Grigoriev, for Alex Ivanov nothing
PF> fails or fails? :)
Completely lame. ;)) And, after all, the offtopic has gone. ;)) And the secret is simple - if you install Windu, and then don’t breathe on it, then everything is OK. And if at least one application crashes during operation... there is an 80% chance that it will take down the rest and the entire system as a whole. And a lot more, if
you want, I’ll send you the soap.
Topic is closed?

antiofftopic: thank God, THIS hasn’t been written for the Spectrum yet... ;))

[.....]

Thu 12 Mar 1998 16:19, Evgeny Milun wrote to Paul Falcon:

EM> I was completely lame. ;)) And, after all, the offtopic has gone. ;)) And
EM> the secret is simple - if you install Windu, and then don’t breathe on it,
EM> then everything is OK. And if during operation at least one application
EM> fails... There is an 80% chance that it will drag down the rest with it

Well, don’t... I always have a bunch of things spinning and the emulator works, nothing
doesn’t crash, although I try to install a lot of new things from the software. If you come across a buggy
program - you throw it out after three letters, everything else works...

I have this problem: x128 v.08 does not work in Scorpio mode. Neither under 95, nor
DOS :(

EM> and the entire system as a whole.

Never in two years has this happened...

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

EM> Eeeeeee... I have a feeling that we are talking about a little different things. I tell you
EM> about programming technology, you tell me “under ASM”. ;))

I’m not talking about ASM ;) but about programming technology, because when I got there
I didn’t experience any particular difficulties, and the Spectrum experience was very
helpful.

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... Guru meditation - hanging and mocking

Hello, Alexey!

It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Alexey Ivanov to
Evgeny Milun Sat Mar 14, 1998 at 00:16...

AI> I have this problem: x128 v.08 does not work in Scorpio mode. Neither under 95,
AI> nor under DOS :(

Does it even show the menu first? If so, then go to 128 BASIC, from it it is standard
run usr 15616 then as usual CAT. Something in the scorpion mode the emulsion with the
floppy disk image is slowing down. (checked) under half a fly, in pre-session).

With all sorts of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... The drop that overflows the cup of patience is just capable of killing a horse.

EM>> then everything is OK. And if during operation at least one application
EM>> fails... There is an 80% chance that it will drag down the rest with it. If you come across
AI> a buggy program - you throw it out after three letters, everything else
AI> works...
Soap, everything is soap. Here I'll ask just one question - have you seen the memory distribution map in Windows'95? If not, then a big surprise awaits you.
Translated into Spectrum language - “application protection” is the same as in
MagOS - i.e. none.

PF> I’m not talking about ASM ;) but about programming technology, because when I arrived there
PF> I didn’t experience any particular difficulties, and the Spectrum experience was very useful
PF>.
Do you program using the “top-down” method? Or vice versa? How are you doing with structured programming? Etc. After all, this is what programming technology is. ;)) I know from myself that on the Spectrum the modularity of
programming sometimes comes into conflict with the requirement for the speed of the
program.

Hi Evgeny!

EM> Do you program using the “top-down” method? Or vice versa? How are you doing with structured programming? Etc. After all, this is what
EM> is - programming technology. ;)) I know from myself that on the Spectrum
EM> the modularity of programming sometimes comes into conflict with the requirement
EM> of the speed of the program.

with the structural everything is chick-pack ;) even if everything is broken down into procedures, because
as dem in my life I wrote in the amount of one piece, or even
one part (lissajous in x-taz) then the speed does not suffer from this at all, but
it saves memory.

EM> This means I have never used it “to its fullest.” As
EM> Grigoriev once said in a conversation about SPF and some other
EM> magazine - “If a program does not glitch on some computer,
EM> it means either it does not use all its capabilities, or the authors
EM> simply do not know about these capabilities.” ;)))

There are glitches, but not as bad as you describe. And as for the coil - you should have one like this. The answer was a blur. BYE.

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov