C-DOS

Once upon a time, specifically Monday June 09, 1997 at 11:50 pm Dmitry
Grigoryev wrote Tim Yunaev:

TY>> The work is going on, but the small volume of floppy disks is very disturbing.
DG> By echo to a floppy disk...

It interferes with when receiving files, and even when tossing, you will most likely have to use floppy disks
to poke (you will have to abandon pkt archiving)

TY>> About computers. 3/4 Spectrums in our city - 48k/TAPE. People
TY>> simply don’t have the money to remodel, let alone buy a new
TY>> computer. At the same time, the number of disk drive users in the city
TY>> is about 700 people.
DG> ^^^
DG> 8- ( ) Is this not a mistake?

About 700 people - actually even LESS. This is _not_ a mistake.

P.S. Can you see me? (netmail, please)

With respect, Tim. [Team AMD - Amiga Must Die]
[Team Aries Rulez Forever]

DG> No. I meant that even in Moscow there won’t be 2800
DG> Spectrum users, although almost all of them have disk drives. I’m not sure that
DG> 700 will be reached... More precisely, I’m sure that it will not be reached:(

Based on some considerations and market attendance statistics, I think that
there will be even more than 2800, and recently there has not been a rapid decline in the number of spektrumists (although it seems to everyone), but an avalanche decline in their purchasing power, from which
it is not difficult draw the wrong conclusions!

Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

Sun 18 Jun 1997 13:47, Tim Yunaev wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:

TY> The number of sold computers 48/tape recorder exceeds 5000 only in our
TY> city.

Can I give you such computers on the cheap?

TY> Well, another thing is that the majority of Zx users are guys 9-17 years old, as a rule, do not have their own money.

The situation is changing here: 9-14 years old people buy other cars, and on the Spectrum (with
rare exceptions) those who remember its formation remain, while the age of
users is aging (from 19-20 to 52 years). Naturally, in most cases,
Spectrum is the second or third computer in the house.

TY> Yours sincerely, Tim.

Yours sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

18 Jun 97 12:55, Alex Letaev reported to Dmitry Grigoryev about {Re: C-DOS}:

AL> there is not a rapid decline in the number of spektrumists (although it seems to be
AL> to everyone), but an avalanche decline in their purchasing power
AL>, from which it is not difficult to draw the wrong conclusions!

And what is this because of? Was there money flowing in Moscow? :) Or because of the development of networks?
Or simply because of the lack of new programs?

Warm greetings, Slava!

It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Tim Yunaev to
Dmitry Grigoryev Wed Jun 18 1997 at 13:47...

DG>> I’m not sure that I’ll get 700... More precisely, I’m sure that I won’t get it
DG>> :(
TY> In 4 years I I personally connected about 150 disk drives (only by me!).
TY> Sergey, Andrey and a couple of other people, I think, made another three hundred.
TY> The rest were contributed by companies selling ready-made computers with disk drives.

Plus, probably those who themselves connected all sorts of
peripherals to their spec ;) Throw in another hundred. :)

Does everyone who once bought a Spectrum use it?

DG>> Everyone should learn about the most promising city for software manufacturers

TY> Prospects - yes. But with the purchase of software - no.

What are the prospects? Is something being done? Aren't you afraid of hackers? ;))

TY> Recording a floppy disk with programs (program) on the radio market costs from $1 to
TY> $5. At the same time, all new software appears at the latest with a two-week delay
TY>, naturally, they are broken.

:( Haven’t you tried to restore order on the market?

TY> I saw one of our “hackers” printed out the _complete_ listing
TY> UFO - something like 150 sheets of paper.

2VM Oh! Slava, and you complained about your code - I told you that it they will study
more ;)

TY> According to him, hacking modern programs takes from an hour to six
TY> days. So you can’t count on making money on software.
You need to make it more profitable to buy legally... (I don’t know how;)
Or more prestigious - develop a computer press.

Wrong? There is only one way out of the decline in purchasing power - all these thousands of wheelbarrows are thrown into the trash, thrown behind a closet, etc.
pieces of furniture. Not used, in short...

AL> Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

Regards, Dmitry (OLDMAN).

AL>> it seems to everyone), but there is an avalanche decline in their
AL>> purchasing power, from which it is not difficult to draw
AL>> wrong conclusions!

VM> And what is this because of? Was there money flowing in Moscow? :) Or because of the development of
VM> networks? Or simply because of the lack of new programs?

Well, look - a gamer bought himself a stump - but will he even launch an emulator after that?
And the need for software disappears....
By the way, I remember the year 92-93, when I saw Dune2 (on PC, of course :)
I didn’t want to look at Spectrum strategies for several days -
(then, of course, it passed - but that was one of the first stages of getting acquainted with
PC) so that's why I said this - even a friend of this very
gamer (who still has ZX) will see some real games on the PC, then he will see
on the display case a disk with a new Spekov game for 20-30 thousand, and next to it - a computer with a new pisish game for 50 - he will buy the last one,
so "break away" from a friend..... :(
There may be another problem.

CYA,
Ivan.

TY>> years, as a rule, without their own money.
AI> For us, the situation is changing: 9-14 year olds buy other cars, and on the
AI> Spectrum (with rare exceptions) there are those who remember it
AI> formation, while the age of users is aging (from 19-20 to 52
AI> years). Naturally, in most cases, the Spectrum in the house is the second or
AI> third computer.

It’s different for us:(

Once upon a time, and specifically Saturday June 21, 1997 at 09:04 Igor Gruzdev
wrote by Tim Yunaev:

TY>> by me!). Sergey, Andrey and a couple of other people, I think, made another three hundred
TY>>. The rest were contributed by companies selling ready-made computers with
TY>> disk drives.
IG> Plus, probably, those who themselves connected all sorts of peripherals to their spec
IG>. ;) Throw in another hundred. :)

Hmm. I didn't count this. Indeed, more.

TY>> listing UFO - something like 150 sheets of paper.
DG> 2VM Oh! Slava, and you complained about your code - I told you that they will still study it
DG>! ;)

So the defense was picked out! I went to visit him. Two people worked the whole
day, but they did :(

By the way, at one time I wrote some kind of program protected by the same method, after
which almost the entire city installed toggle switches on the write enable of the drive - cheap and
cheerful. So they even copied the originals.

DG> We need to make it so that it is more profitable to buy legally... (I don’t know how
DG> ;) Or more prestigious - develop computer press.

It will not be more profitable. I can say this 100%. Firstly, no one will do this - those who are on the radio market are already selling these programs, and they absolutely don't care whether they are copyrighted or not. Even if they sell a protected copyrighted program, two (three) people will buy it, and then they will give it away to everyone. give a damn. How can I shame someone for hacking programs, especially not mine, if I even registered GoldEd with the left
recorder, not to mention the rest of the programs installed on my machine at home and at
work, worth about $10,000 :)

Example - IS-DOS appeared in due time. It was cool, but there was no formatter. It took three
hours to analyze the format, four - to writeof his own, the second day was entirely spent on correcting mistakes, of which there were a lot. At the next radio market
IS-DOS was already sold with a formatter.

This is not boasting, not bragging, I’m not proud of it - there’s nothing special
to be proud of - it’s just the TRUTH, this is the real state of affairs, imho, outside
Moscow and St. Petersburg.

24 Jun 97 12:34, Alex Letaev reported to Dmitry Grigoryev about {Re: C-DOS}:

AL> for new ones, and for Magicians and Sshar, trade stopped paying off because

What Magicians do is known. But what about SoftStar?

Warm greetings, Slava!

TY> It won’t be more profitable. I can say this 100%. Firstly, no one
TY> will do this - those who sit on the radio market are already selling these
TY> programs, and they absolutely don’t care whether they are copyrighted or not. Even if
TY> they sell a protected copyright program, two (three)

will buy it, yes, you are talking nonsense in your usual style, you simply cannot copy protected copyright
software, much less write your own protection.

TY> people, and they will break it, after which they will distribute it to everyone. As for prestige, everyone
TY> doesn’t give a damn. How can I shame someone for hacking programs, especially not
TY> mine, if I even registered GoldEd with the left register, not to mention
TY> the rest of the programs
TY> installed on my machine at home and at work, for about $10,000? :)

10 thousand dollars for offtopic software in this echoconference
is a bit undignified.
and it’s probably cool to register GoldEd with the left registry, you
are almost like an anarcho-hacker starfucker.

TY> Example - IS-DOS appeared in due time. It was cool, but there was no
TY> formatter. It took three hours to analyze the format, four to write
TY> my own, the second day was spent entirely on correcting errors, of which there were a lot
TY>. At the next radio market, IS-DOS was already sold withformatter.

and the formatter was so amazingly cool that no one had heard of it,
of course - after all, it copied master discs. and, what is remarkable, was
written in just two days.

TY> This is not boasting, not bragging, I’m not proud of it - there’s nothing special here

when they are not proud, they don’t remember what happened 3-4 years ago and they don’t try to convince others
of this they don’t try to convince.

TY> to be proud is simply the TRUTH, this is the real state of affairs, imho, outside
TY> Moscow and St. Petersburg.

no, you’re just so smart, in Moscow, St. Petersburg and all other cities
there is only one lamerie, so he doesn’t break anything, and maybe he doesn’t want to.

NM> storyteller, UFO in a day, you were deceived, and you, naive, believed.

I know what I’m talking about - I’ve heard about it more than once. The point is that the majority
simply did not see the brand name. And what was broken was what was protected and overprotected
by traders (example: an application to the SPF, a running line in TAU KITA, where hackers
boast of a broken proprietary version on one (!) disk :))))
This is especially true for the 1st UFO.

Warm greetings, Slava!

TY> Do they teach reading in your kindergarten? Ask the teacher, she
TY> will read the above to you, maybe it will reach you.

you’re just pushing, it’s physically impossible to remove Slavin’s protection in a day

NM>> and besides, you contradict yourself - in your message to Evgene Milun
NM>> you write that there are reliable protections (the removal of which takes more than
NM>> a week of painstaking work), and any others - from two minutes to two
NM>> days. in short, you need to keep an eye on your own market.
TY> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :)
TY> You, sir, are you in kind :) do you understand that the concepts of time can vary greatly
TY>? And that the fact that it takes a week of work to defend does not at all mean that people don’t eat or sleep for a whole week, and that’s all they do? And that, if you want, you can do a two-week workload
TY> in a day, but you can do a daily workload if you don’t want to do a week?

For the 4th time you contradict yourself, painstaking work is painstaking
work, if such activity can be called work at all

NM>> damn, how many people like to spray saliva - “I broke a UFO in a day (two, three)
NM>>.” this has already become a measure of coolness, whoever hasn’t broken is not a hacker.
NM>> they break one after another and are proud,It would be better if they broke it
NM>> Boulder Dash 4 for the fifth time.
TY> This is your hobby, right? :)

no, this is a joke from the early 90s, only then it was proposed to break it for
the fourth time

NM>> you still don’t understand how UFO is protected, probably narcissism
NM>> imaginary
NM>> own coolness prevents you from just thinking a little,
NM>> or there’s nothing to think about. and it looks like you wrote the program in a dream, since you don’t remember
NM>> what you called it and what it actually did.
TY> Well, yes - you’re our genius. You probably heard the word BASIC today
TY> for the first time and managed not to pee yourself during your nap? :)

you still don’t understand how UFO is protected

NM>> the whole city installed toggle switches at your whim? You're not the first here with such
NM>> inflated self-esteem, I'm wondering what kind of program it was for
NM>> that the whole city was rushing around.
TY> Copier. At that time, when two people in
TY> had a description of the VG93, he copied absolutely everything that was on the Zx.

For the 5th time you contradict yourself, this copier did not copy itself
if there was one at all, you still don’t remember the name
name the year and throw the copier here

NM>> for general development (maybe you’ll become smarter, thank you later for science
NM>> you will): UFO writes to defective sectors and checks how many bytes
NM>> sectors were recorded correctly and it writes differently every time, so
NM>> attempts to override the priority of the UFO protection principle, sorry, they don’t
NM>> roll...
TY> Listen, smart guy, do you even know what Write Enable is on a disk drive? And
TY> why is it needed? And what will happen if you tear it off?

they popularly explained to you how UFO is protected, but you still don’t understand
specify which contact Write Enable is 24 or 28

NM>> yes, you are talking nonsense in your usual style, protected copyright software
NM>> you simply cannot copy,
TY> There are too many non-standard computers - the protection will not work. With
TY> modern technology you can copy almost everything.
^^^^^
The 6th time you contradict yourself, with contradictions 1 and 2

NM>> and write your own defense even more so.
TY> It would be something to spend time on.

you are not an author or a trader, you have no use for it

TY>>> a machine at home and at work with programs worth about $10,000? :)
NM>> something is not enough 10 thousand dollars for offtopic in this echo conference
NM>> software, undignified.
TY> Sir millionaire? And he uses exclusively licensed software?

if you want to say that your software worth 10 thousand dollars
is licensed, then you are contradicting the words you said earlier
if it is installedfor free for two cars, then it’s not much

NM>> and it’s probably cool to register GoldEd with the left registry, you
NM>> are already almost like an anarcho-hacker starfucker.
TY> Kid, again you don’t understand anything. Go to bed - it's late.

Are you offended that the left registers are not listed in this echo?
Were you waiting for someone to ask you for it?

NM>> and the formatter was so amazingly cool that no one had heard of it, even
NM>> it would have copied master disks. and, remarkably, it was written
NM>> in just two days.
TY> Listen, have you done at least something useful in your entire life? Or are you
TY> only able to scratch your tongue immoderately?

your words about the formatter in two days look like an exaggeration
do you have any idea about master disks do you have?