3.5

By the way, it’s not time for spektrumists to climb onto subj’inch flops, imho it’s long
time. After all, subj disks are easier to get and they are now cheaper than 5.25. Not to mention the convenience. And the flop, after all, is cheaper (compared to the new 5.25). Otherwise, a problem with disks can seriously
worse the situation of the Spectrum.

Wiz zE BeSt WisHeZ 2 U!
-=JoCkeR/OmEga HaCkErS Grp/1998year=-

Saturday March 14 1998 17:24, Andy Harchenko wrote to All:

AH> By the way, it’s not time for spektrumists to climb to subj’inch flops, imho it’s high time
AH>. After all, subj disks are easier to get and they are cheaper than 5.25 now
AH>. Not to mention the convenience. And the flop is, after all, cheaper
AH> (compared to the new 5.25). Otherwise, the problem with disks can seriously
AH> worsen the situation of Spectrum.

Wrong way.
5'25" disks have always been and will be cheaper ~20-50k apiece,
a 5'25" teac drive is 1.5 times cheaper than a 3'5" flop,
you can generally forget about the practicality of disks - 5'25" disks are the most practical
disks in world! No matter how much they rot (to a reasonable extent), sit on them, freeze, float in the heat - everything will withstand. Drop small disks once - a lot of bad things.

So you can't write off 5'25" drives and disks!

AH> Wiz zE BeSt WisHeZ 2 U!
AH> -=JoCkeR/OmEga HaCkErS Grp/1998year=-

cYa, aR7Y/dR/FW · · · ··· Email: ar...@telecom.nov.ru ··· · · ·

AH> it's high time. After all, subj disks are easier to get and they are cheaper than 5.25
AH> now. Not to mention the convenience. And the flop in the end
AH> is cheaper (compared to the new 5.25). Otherwise, the problem with
AH> disks can seriously worsen the situation of the Spectrum.

Here is the situation.
The flop must be able to switch - DC/RY.
Not all modern flops have such a switch.

Right now they will tell me that there is no need for a ready signal, so here it is:

Everyone knows how the controller is built. Everyone knows that when there is no disk,
the controller must emulate several revolutions at the index input so that the VGshka
“releases” the flop.
HO! if there is no disk in 5305, then in the selected form its index leg has a
stable "0" - what can you do.
I tied my index with the 34 leg of flops through LL1, if the drive is not ready - on
index "1" and everything works (hey, manufacturers! Think about this...).

That's why I focus on the RY (Ready) signal. I have a couple of 3-inch
ALPS here, Panas - they have such a switch. The new Mitsumiki also has one, but with a soldering iron. Some old Sonya doesn’t have it :(((

ALPS I tried to put it on the spec - everything smelled great...

With best wishes - Andrey Khristov (ha...@robin.alt.ru)

[Team Horse Aviation] [Team beer, girls & sofa]
[Team Electric Welding Must Die!] [Team Khasan Border Guards]

Once I was in a museum and there, on an old, old stone, an ancient man carved that
Sunday March 15, 1998 right at 11:49, Artem Haritonov wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AH>> 5.25). Otherwise, the problem with disks can seriously worsen the situation
AH>> Spectrum.

AH> Wrong way.
AH> 5'25" disks have always been and will be cheaper ~20-50k apiece,
AH> 5'25" teac disk drive is 1.5 times cheaper than 3'5" floppy,
I don’t know, we have a new Teack in 5061 5.25 costs 150 rubles, and 3.5 about $20

AH> you can completely forget about the practicality of disks - 5'25" disks are the most
AH> practical disks in the world! No matter how much you rot (to reasonable limits), sit
AH> on them, freeze, melt in the heat - everything will withstand. Drop small discs once
AH> and they are a lot of bad things.
I agree with this, but what about the fact that 5.25 have been discontinued for a long time, in our market
a box of GMD's costs 35 rubles, and 3.5 for 25-30 you can get decent discs,
besides there is a large selection, and 5.25 imho we have only one person selling them. I don’t know,
maybe in other cities everything is different.

AH> So you can’t write off 5’25" drives and disks!
You can’t, but 3.5 should be gradually implemented :)

AH> cYa, aR7Y/dR/FW · · · · · · Email: ar...@telecom.nov.ru ··· ··

AH> you can generally forget about the practicality of rims - 5'25" rims are the most
AH> practical rims in the world! No matter how much they rot (to a reasonable extent), sit
AH> on them, freeze, melt in the heat - everything will withstand.

Sunday March 15 1998 20:33, Andrey Khristov wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AK> Here's the situation.
AK> The flop needs to be able to switch - DC/RY.
AK> Not all modern flops have such a switch.

AK> That's why I focus on RY (Ready) signal. I have a couple
AK> 3-inch ALPS here, Panas - they have such a switch. The new
AK> Mitsumiki also have it, but with a soldering iron. Some old Sonya doesn’t have it

And what does Mitsumi need to solder?

Sincerely, Mihail.
Monday March 16, 1998

AH> By the way, it’s not time for spektrumists to climb onto subj’inch flops, imho
AH> it’s high time. After all, subj disks are easier to get and they are cheaper than 5.25
AH> now. Not to mention the convenience. And the flop at the end

Saturday March 14 1998 17:23, Andy Harchenko ─── All:

AH> And the flop is cheaper in the end (compared to the new 5.25).
Uh... five to six thousand for one disk is cheaper than three and a half?
Or is it just up to us in Samara hasn't received the new prices yet? ;)))

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

AH> After all, it's cheaper (compared to the new 5.25).
You're unlikely to get a new one anywhere.
AH> Otherwise, the problem with
AH> drives can seriously worsen the Spectrum's position.
Twenty-five again...

<- With best regardz,Pavel ->

FunToP - ProgRess in DeMoMakInG... (c) Pol Freeman

Monday March 16, 1998 right at 00:05, Pavel Fedin wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AH>> they can now get by with less than 5.25. Not to mention the convenience. Yes
AH>> and the flop is cheaper after all.

PF> I completely agree, but many people, unfortunately, don’t care. :-(
Virtuals, of course, but not real ones!

AH>> they can now get by with less than 5.25. Not to mention the convenience. Yes
AH>> and the flop is cheaper after all.

AH> it's time. After all, subj disks are easier to get and they are cheaper than
AH> 5.25 now
AH> cost. Not to mention the convenience. Yes, and the flop is in
And who is stopping you from making your programs so that they work with any flop
? Otherwise, Max Petrov’s commander doesn’t work with some of them. And with 5305 everything works.
Words “it’s time” and calls to switch to the subject will not achieve. Who
would want to change their 5.25 to 3.5? You can put him second. And
traders should now, imho, sell software on both 3.5 and
5.25 floppy disks.

All the best.
With respect, Roman Milukov.

With best wishes - Andrey Khristov (ha...@robin.alt.ru)

[Team Horse Aviation] [Team beer, girls & sofa]
[Team Electric Welding Must Die!] [Team Khasansky border guards]

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Andy!

Sat Mar 14, 1998, Andy Harchenko squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach All:

AH> By the way, it’s not time for spektrumists to climb to subj’inch flops, imho
AH> it's high time. After all, subj disks are easier to get and they are cheaper than 5.25
AH> now. Not to mention the convenience. And the flop in the end
AH> is cheaper (compared to the new 5.25). Otherwise the problem is with

Monday March 16 1998 14:58, Evgeny Milun for some reason wrote to Andy Harchenko:

EM> Hello Andy !

EM> Saturday March 14 1998 17:23, Andy Harchenko ─── All:

AH>> Yes and flop, after all, is cheaper (compared to the new
AH>> 5.25).
EM> Eeeee... five to six thousand for one disk
Are the disks with Teflon coating or something?

EM> - cheaper than three and
EM> half? Or is it just that the new prices have not yet reached us in Samara?
EM> ;)))
We have a box of floppy disks (BASF, TDK, etc.) 3.5 costs 35-37 rubles.;)

Sincerely, Konstantin.

AH> Virtuals, of course, but not real ones!

Alas, things are very bad here in Moscow. I asked Alexey
Letaev, it turns out that he conducted an experiment that ended
in complete failure. Only TWO people bought 3.5" wheels from him.

ST> I've been using a 3-inch camera on my Pro for about a year and a half :)

Me too, but here's what concerns the majority...

AH> in our market a box of GMD's costs 35 rubles, and 3.5 for 25-30 decent
AH> you can take discs, and the choice is large, and 5.25 imho with us one person
AH> only sells. I don’t know, maybe in other cities everything is different.

good 3`5 disks cost 2 times more than regular 5`25. They are good in
the sense - they will work not just twice, but for life.

I have seen a lot of three rubles, almost all cheap disks, after
some time they started to give errors... since 5`25 there were practically no such problems
(except for frankly crappy disks)...

AH> It’s impossible, but 3.5 should be gradually implemented :)

implement it, lose half of your software reserves - and then
we’ll talk ;)

Good Luck...

... Windows: From the makers of the 640k barrier.

Tuesday March 17, 1998 right at 14:30, Roman Milukov wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AH>> 5.25 is now already
AH>> cost. Not to mention the convenience. And the flop is in
RM> And who is stopping you from making your programs so that they work with any flop
RM>? Otherwise, Max Petrov’s commander is working with some people. And with 5305 everything works.
Honestly, I don’t understand what you said above refers to, I actually
wrote that it’s time to actively implement 3.5 on spec, and you’re talking about programs, I didn’t
touch this topic, and it seems like I’ve never had such problems.

RM> With the words “it’s time” and calls to switch to the subject you won't achieve it. Who
RM> wants to change their 5.25 to 3.5? You can put him second. And
RM> traders should now, imho, sell software on both 3.5 and
RM> 5.25 floppy disks.
That’s right!

RM> All the best.
RM> Sincerely, Roman Milukov.

So, they sell (in St. Petersburg, for example), another thing is that they buy 3.5"
times 30 times less (according to Logros), so no one records _all_ selections
at 3.5"

Warm greetings, Slava!

Wiz zE BeSt WisHeZ 2 U!
-=JoCkeR/OmEga HaCkErS Grp/1998year=-

AH>> they can now get by with less than 5.25. Not to mention the convenience. Yes
AH>> and the flop is cheaper after all (compared to the new
AH>> 5.25). Otherwise, a problem with disks can seriously worsen the situation
AH>> Spectrum.

EM> I agree. But how can we make this clear to everyone?
I personally moved almost our entire group to 3.5 inches, the main thing is that traders
start distributing programs on 3.5 and naturally agitate people.
To begin with, you can start recording only hits and fulldisk programs, in
in principle there are not many of them, and then you see people and start playing three.

EM> Hasta la vista.
EM> Tim Kelly

AH> it's time. After all, subj disks are easier to get and they are cheaper than
AH> 5.25 now
AH> cost. Not to mention the convenience. And the flop in
AH> is, after all, cheaper
AH> (compared to the new 5.25). Otherwise, a problem with disks
AH> can seriously
AH> worsen the situation of the Spectrum.
AH>
So I’ve had the subject for a year now, and it works a little faster
than 5.25. There is no need for _NO_ modifications to it! I plugged it into the computer in 30 minutes! Reads both HD and DD, but in HD you need to seal the hole through!

That's it for now!
See you!
Let's study!

Lisovoj Sergey (Little Fox) AKA 2:461/444.7
e-mail:ja...@itp.kharkov.ua AKA 2:461/110.3
- ---ZEDforZX (cool,but too slow)

AH> To be honest, I don’t understand what you said above
AH> you refer to,
I can describe some problems. But I think not everyone will be
interested in this.

AH> I actually wrote that it’s time to actively implement 3.5 on the spec,
Well, take it and implement it on your own. Although, as I understand, you have had 3.5 for a long time. But I still haven’t gotten the itch. I use 5.25 and there are enough disks for now (besides, on
mine you can freely use HD floppy disks, of which there are a lot, which I do without any
embarrassment).

AH> and you tell me about programs, I haven’t touched on this topic
AH>, and it seems like I’ve never had such problems
AH>.
Sometimes it happens such.

20 Mar 98 Vyacheslav Mednonogov hoping that Roman Milukov will read,
wrote:

RM> traders should now, imho, sell software on both 3.5 and
RM> on 5.25 floppy disks.
VM> So, they sell (in St. Petersburg, for example), another thing is
VM> that they buy 3.5"
VM> 30 times less (according to Logros), so no one
VM> records _all_ selections for 3.5"
Well, that's still a great deal! :) In general, 3.5 on Spec is a rarity for us. And among ordinary
users, who are the ones who buy the software, they all have only 5.25.

AH> I personally moved almost our entire group to 3.5 inches, the main thing
AH> is that
AH> traders start distributing programs on 3.5 and naturally agitate
AH> people. To begin with, you can start recording only hits and fulldisk
AH> programs, in principle there are not many of them, and then you see people and start
AH> to play three.

We write, distribute, but the 3" CV bought one copy! Moreover, the game is relevant
at the moment!

RM> Well, take it and implement it on your own. Although, as I understand, you’ve had 3.5 for a long time.
Yes, I’ve had it for a long time and I’m not complaining.

RM> But I still haven’t gotten around to it. I use 5.25 and there are enough disks for now
RM> (besides, on mine you can freely use HD floppy disks, of which there are
RM> a ton, which I do without any hesitation).
Happy man, we have 5061 disks on the verge of extinction :(

Thursday March 19 1998 right at 17:28, Max Romanoff wrote to Andy Harchenko:

MR> good 3`5 wheels cost 2 times more than regular 5`25 ones. Good in
MR> the sense - they will work not just 2 times, but throughout life.
My Verbatim holds up very well.

MR> I have seen a lot of three rubles, almost all cheap disks, after
MR> for some time they began to give errors... from 5`25 such troubles
MR> There were practically none (except for outright slop disks)...
To be honest, I encounter this more often at the PC, which is why I don’t know, i.e. On
the Spectrum I used this disc perfectly without errors, as soon as I pushed it into the PC
a couple of times, the bad ones came out, etc. :(

SL> So I’ve had the subject for a year now, and it works a little faster
SL> than 5.25. There is no need for _NO_ modifications to it! I plugged it into the computer in 30 minutes
SL>! Reads both HD and DD, but in HD you need to seal the hole
SL> through!
Hurray, hurray, I finally found a kindred spirit! :) I have everything too, I connected the current
in 40 minutes - I attached the switch A<>B.

SL> That's it for now!
SL> See you!
SL> Let's study!
:)

Monday March 23, 1998 right at 19:07, Eugene Malkov wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AH>> and fulldisk programs, in principle there are not many of them, and then you look
AH>> people will start installing three.

EM> We write, distribute, but 3" CVs bought one copy! Moreover, the game
EM> is relevant for now!
Never mind, this is just the beginning, soon everyone will get 3.5 :)

22 Mar 98 19:52, Roman Milukov reported to Vyacheslav Mednonogov about {3.5}:

RM> Well, that's a great rowing! :) In general, 3.5 on Spec is a rarity for us. And
RM> ordinary users, who are the ones who buy the software, all have only 5.25.

And our company Scorpio for some time released its ZS256 only with FDD
3.5". And nothing, people live with only three-inch cameras... Somewhere... :)

With warm greetings, Glory!

Tue 24 Mar 1998 13:17, Vyacheslav Mednonogov wrote to Roman Milukov:

VM> And our company Scorpio for some time produced its ZS256
VM> only with FDD 3.5". And nothing, people live with only
VM> three-inchers... Somewhere... :)

...sexual life ;)

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

24 Mar 98 Vyacheslav Mednonogov hoping that Roman Milukov
will read,
wrote:

VM> And our company Scorpio for some time produced its
VM> ZS256 only with FDD
VM> 3.5". And nothing, people live with only three-inch...
VM> Somewhere... :)
Yeah, some of them have probably already abandoned the Spec, and others have attached 5.25 to the side. After all, if your friends only have 5.25, what then?

right there. 3" die more often, but they work slower :)

Bye!
Rick Murray
mur...@geocities.com http://hey.to/letit ICQ:6653886

zy. By the way, I have 3" on Leningradka

RM> just about there. 3" die more often, but they work slower :)
Well, I don’t know about you, but for me even disks such as RAD live and are
not asking for a single bad sector yet. I dropped one of my working
disks (Verbatim, old) more than once - at least it’s been alive for more than a month.

C Respectfully, Roman aka Megus of BrainWave association.

[Team ZX-Spectrum] [Team Agatha Christie] [Team Metallica] [Team Iron Maiden]

RM> just about there. 3" die more often, but they work slower :)

slower? strange. I think it just seems like that...

Good Luck...

... Be nice to your kids. They'll choose your nursing home.

AH> I use it as a system drive (as I said:), well, that is. XAS, etc., all
AH> on 3.5, I work on it and in ASMA, I’ve been working for a year now, no troubles have happened yet
AH>.

that means you are very lucky with the floppy drive.

Good Luck...

... The Amiga is to computers as Harley Davidson is to motorcycles

30 Mar 98 15:45, Roman Petrov wrote to Rick Murray:

RP> Well, I don’t know about you, but even disks like RAD live and exist
RP> They don’t ask for a single bad sector yet. I dropped one of my working
RP> disks (Verbatim, old) more than once - at least it’s been alive
RP> for months.

for a floppy disk, “dropping” is not an indicator of durability :) in general, of course
my impressions are more on point. but at least on my 48 Leningradka
there are stable problems with long-distance tracks.

AH>> etc., everything is on 3.5, I work on it in ASMA, I’ve been working for a year already,
AH>> no troubles have happened yet.
MR> it means you’re very lucky with the floppy drive.
Are 3’5 so buggy? I’ve also had a three-ruble note as a working disk for a year now - so far it’s never died.

RP> Is 3'5 so buggy? I, too, have had a treshka in
RP> for a year now as a working disk - so far it has never died.

yes, it seems it depends on the floppy drive. There's a lot of crap on sale now.

Good Luck...

... Turn of the telly, you know it's bad for your eyes.