[00/25] Condommed
ZXNet echo conference «zx.spectrum»
From Artem Haritonov → To All 9 December 1997
HeYa, All!
Whether you want it or not, I’ll throw it in!!!
Immediately 2mods: sorry, but...
This is the first demo in the last month that not only pleased me, but carried me through!
In short, see for yourself!
Condommed (c) by E-Mage (authors Trashe)
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Sergei Novikov → To All 10 December 1997
Hello Artem!
AH> Whether you want it or not, I'll throw it in!!!
AH> Immediately 2mods: sorry, but...
AH> This is the first demo in the last month that not only pleased me, but
AH> dragged me through!
I hope this is the first (?) and last of such immoral demos. If you want to make a
cool demo, why violate moral standards?
From Artem Haritonov → To All 12 December 1997
SN> I hope this is the first (?) and last of such immoral demos. You want
SN> to make a cool demo - why violate moral standards?
What??? Everything is completely normal... Damn, I thought people would understand...
It’s still early...
Does anyone else think so?
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Arseniy Astapenko → To All 12 December 1997
>Does anyone else think so?
Maybe something hurts someone’s eyes ;) But in general, this is the style.
In addition, the demo was released on December 1...
And one more thing: I know E-Mage personally, and therefore I will never agree with those
who consider the demo _deliberately immoral_ ;))
So, we have to argue about tastes, not about the demo :)
>cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
With best wishes, Ars^FTL
mailto:ars...@usa.net
* this world is nothing anymore will save...
From Oleg Bashtenko → To All 12 December 1997
Hello Artem.
12 Dec 97 00:17, Artem Haritonov wrote to Sergei Novikov:
[...]
AH> Does anyone else think so?
For example, I think that if we do UYYUK, it won’t be Dos-Nafigator! :-E~~~
2Moderator: I propose to ban the UYUYUKs in the echo made by Nafigator.
After all, most people know that they don’t use the buggy UYYUKer there.
For example, I’m tired of gluing and editing blocks.
Oleg AKA Olav
... Don’t tell your dreams. What if the Freudians come to power?
From Andrew Chulkov → To All 13 December 1997
AH>> This is the first demo in the last month that not only
AH>> pleased me, but carried me through!
SN> I hope this is the first (?) and last of such immoral demos. You want
SN> to make a cool demo - why violate moral standards?
In my opinion, the demo is very decent from a moral point of view, and also
technically very well implemented (although I ran it on a PC under an emulator -
so I couldn’t see all the charm).
>>> CHULKOV A.V. WWW: http://www.chat.ru/~avcc E-MAiL: av...@chat.ru <<<
From Max Lanskih → To All 13 December 1997
Hello, Oleg!
It was like this: Oleg Bashtenko 12 Dec 97 at 21:01 was pushing speeches to Artem.
Well, so I wrote.
OB> [...]
AH> Does anyone else think so?
OB> For example, I think that if we do UYUK, then not Dos-Nafigator!
OB> :-E~~~
OB> 2Moderator: I propose to ban the UYYUKs in the echo made by the Nafigator.
OB> After all, most people know that they don’t use the buggy UYYUKer there.
OB> For example, I’m tired of gluing and editing blocks.
Yes here it is. It is necessary to crush those who are Nafigator YuYu. Not a single program has broken down after him.
PS. Kinde with soap on the origin of the subject, pliiizzz.
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║ Max (aka LMS/Inside Law) [TEAM SPECCY rOOleZZZZ]
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From Artem Haritonov → To All 13 December 1997
Glitchy?????? Yes.... Now that's what they call crooked hands?
I've never had any problems with it.
I'll only use it.
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Sergei Novikov → To All 13 December 1997
AC> In my opinion, the demo is very decent from a moral point of view,
Are you serious? In any case, this will not be included in the FT. We must observe
decency.
From Oleg Bashtenko → To All 13 December 1997
Hello Artem.
13 Dec 97 10:46, Artem Haritonov wrote to Oleg Bashtenko:
[...]
AH> Glitchy?????? Yes.... Now that's what they call crooked hands?
AH> I've never had any problems with it.
AH> I'll only use it.
Next time I'll send you a log of the decoding of your creation. :)
For some reason, UUE.EXE perfectly decodes the UUEEncode of other encoders,
and even some variants of Nafigator’s. But on your UYYUK there is a CRC error in every
block.
PS: But you can continue to use it...;)))
Oleg
... Who knows what Columbus would have discovered if America had not gotten in his way.
From Max Lanskih → To All 13 December 1997
OB> 2Moderator: I propose to ban the UYUYuks in the echo made by Nafigator.
OB> After all, most people know that they don’t use the buggy UYUYukers there.
OB> For example, I’m tired of gluing and editing blocks.
From Artem Haritonov → To All 13 December 1997
AC> In my opinion, the demo is very decent from a moral point of view, besides
AC> it is technically very well implemented (although I ran it on a PC under the
AC> emulator - so I couldn’t see all the charm).
I didn’t really see it! Look on the real Spectrum.
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Vsevolod Potapov → To All 14 December 1997
demo steering!!! I’ll show you at the party tomorrow, the reaction is interesting. overall cool
!!! only hangs on the scorpion in front of Richy's last visions :(((had to watch it in Yudina
:(((
>
>Does anyone else think so?
What do you think? The music is cool, the plot is cool, the effects are nothing - what else do you need?
cool.
Regards,
Random
--
Lord of Chaos.
e-mail: ran...@cybermail.net
Concern Chaos WWW HQ: http://www.cybermail.net/~random/
From Vsevolod Potapov → To All 14 December 1997
Regards,
Random
--
Lord of Chaos.
e-mail: ran...@cybermail.net
Concern Chaos WWW HQ: http://www.cybermail.net/~random/
From Vitaly Samoylov → To All 14 December 1997
Well, since we are already talking about this, I too protest against SUCH UUs!
I was tempted to take insurance every time and glue them manually!
I use 'AUTOUUE', it rips out and erases the glued UUs, and
dos-navigator's constantly puts them in bads, Well, are there really no other,
_normal_ UUE Encoders? At least the same 'autouue' ?
To:(Co)Moderator: Sorry for being off-topic, but many programs simply don’t work!
OB> Oleg AKA Olav
All the best. /──────────────────────\ [ Fantasy World - Rulez ]
Sincerely, │ Wanderer 'Sagacious' │ [ Getting up early - Must Die]
─────────────────── ────\──────────────────────/ [ Station 106.8 - Rulez ]
...Not everything that can be done with impunity should be done...
From Andrew Chulkov → To All 14 December 1997
>>> А.В. WWW: http://www.chat.ru/~avcc E-MAIL: av...@chat.ru <<<
From Alexey Ivanov → To All 14 December 1997
Hi Oleg!
Sat 13 Dec 1997 21:58, Oleg Bashtenko wrote to Artem Haritonov:
OB> Next time I will send you a log of the decoding of your
OB> creation. :) For some reason, UUE.EXE perfectly decodes the UUEEncode
OB> of other encoders, and even some options
OB> from Nafigatorovsky. But on your UYUK there is a CRC error in each block.
If it doesn’t decode for you, but for others it decodes normally, look for the reason either in
the version, or somewhere along the route you have UU blocks being cut.
I decoded absolutely everything that was here over the last 6 months, including
Nafigatorsky. And I don’t care what exactly was encoded with.
Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov
From Oleg Bashtenko → To All 14 December 1997
Hello Alexey.
14 Dec 97 04:06, Alexey Ivanov wrote to Oleg Bashtenko:
[...]
AI> If it doesn’t decode for you, but others decode normally, look for the reason
AI> either in the version, or somewhere along the route you are cutting UU blocks.
Yeah, somewhere along the way there is a filter on DNovskie UYUKs, and he deliberately spoils them. And he doesn’t touch the rest. So it turns out... ;))))
Oleg
... The inscription on the monument sometimes sounds like a wanted notice.
From Max Lanskih → To All 14 December 1997
VS> Well, since we are talking about this, I too protest against SUCH UUeks!
VS> I was tempted to take insurance every time and glue them by hand!
VS> I use 'AUTOUUE', it rips out and erases the glued UUeks, and
I also use AUTOUUE, and not one person told me that they couldn’t decode his code.
VS> constantly puts dos-navigator’s into bads, are there really no other,
VS> _normal_ UUE Encoders? At least the same 'autouue' ?
VS> To:(Co)Moderator: Sorry for being off-topic, but many programs simply do not
VS> reach!
From Artem Haritonov → To All 14 December 1997
SN> Are you serious? In any case, this will not be included in the FT. We must observe
SN> decency.
Yeah... Now you said a _very_ sad thing... Do you think that everyone who
comes to your “festival” has a high moral level?
So, so - Funt Top - congress of apostate monks - “In the struggle for chastity”...
=)
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Artem Haritonov → To All 14 December 1997
OB> Next time I will send you a log of the decoding of your creation. :)
OB> For some reason, UUE.EXE perfectly decodes the UUEEncode of other encoders,
OB> and even some variants of Nafigator's. But on your UYYUK there is a CRC error in every
OB> block.
OB> PS: But you can continue to use it...;)))
Damn, but why do I unpack everything all the time? After all, they also send others
encoded by the Navigator. Have you tried decoding them?
Or NC-rulez? =)
Or maybe it comes in this form?
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Alexey Ivanov → To All 14 December 1997
OB>> Dos-Nafigator! :-E~~~ 2Moderator: I propose to ban
OB>> UYUYUKs in the echo made by Nafigator. After all, the majority knows
OB>> that the UYUKer is buggy there, no, they don’t use it. I
OB>>, for example, am tired of gluing and editing blocks.
ML> Yes, that’s it. It is necessary to crush those who are Nafigator YuYu. More than one
ML> program has improved more than once after it.
Maybe your Nafigator is buggy? Everything is working out great for us.
Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov
From Evgeny Vorobjev → To All 14 December 1997
Well, since we are already talking about this, I will protest against SUCH remarks. I have no
other program for UUEshki, except DN v.1.50, and I read everything and everything works. Look at
yourself or on the road...
To Moderator: I'm sorry, but we need to tell him the truth. After all, the spektrumist
suffers, getting UUEshki...
All the best, Evgeny. Sun Dec 14 1997 23:15.
From Andrew Chulkov → To All 14 December 1997
░▒▓█▓▒░ Greetings, Artem. ░▒▓█▓▒░ 14 Dec 97 22:16
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13 Dec 97 22:16, Artem Haritonov wrote to Andrew Chulkov:
AC>> In my opinion, the demo is very decent from a moral point of view, and
AC>> it’s also technically very well implemented (although I ran it on a PC
AC>> under an emulator - so I couldn’t see all the charm).
AH> Of course I didn’t see it! Look at the real Spectrum.
There is no Spectrum. If you just look around your friends, maybe at least someone
at least still has the Pentagon.
From Alexey Ivanov → To All 14 December 1997
AI>> decodes, look for the reason either in the version, or somewhere
AI>> along the route UU blocks are cut.
OB> Yeah, somewhere along the way there is a filter for DN UYUKs, and it
OB> specifically spoils them. And he doesn’t touch the rest. So that means
OB> comes out... ;))))
I noticed that sometimes the last 2-3 lines in blocks are cut off during transmission on
some gateways. We need to make the sections shorter.
And my uudecode copes well with DN's jujuks. It follows from this
that it is necessary to select and properly configure the software.
What will others say about this?
2Moderator: will there be a moratorium on the use of DN's uuencode?
Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov
From Denis Itskovich → To All 14 December 1997
ML> Wow!!! And what else, besides GLIGGY, can you call THIS:
For example, wide possibilities. Simply in the Navigator, you can optionally
select how to calculate the checksum. By default, it sets 64-bit CRC
(crc64). And many Yuyu decoders may not understand this. You need to put crc32.
See you later...
Denis.
┌ [TEAM Agatha Christie] [TEAM DDT] [TEAM Legends of Rock] [TEAM DOS Navigator] ┐
└─────══════ [AKA 2:4613/204.77, E-Mail to sl...@kot.poltava.ua] ══════──────┘
... Everyone says that we are together. Everyone talks, but not many know which one.
From Dmitry Grigoryev → To All 14 December 1997
ML> ╔══─══─═─═─── ── ─ ─ -
ML> ║ Max (aka LMS/Inside Law) [TEAM SPECCY rOOleZZZZ]
ML> ╚══─══─═─═─── ── ─ ─ ─
Is this? Yes, indeed, something strange... But not with DH ;)
Sincerely, Dmitry (OLDMAN).
ZXNet: 095/100.1
old...@i-connect.ru
From Oleg Bashtenko → To All 15 December 1997
Hello Artem.
14 Dec 97 08:00, Artem Haritonov wrote to Sergei Novikov:
[...]
AH> So, so - Funt Top - congress of apostate monks - "In the struggle for
AH> chastity"... =)
You are evil, I will leave you! ;)))
By the way, your Subzh has increased the traffic! ;)))
Oleg AKA Olav
... I ask roundabout questions to prevent evasive answers.
From Tyukaev Eugene Vladimirovich → To All 15 December 1997
> OB> of other encoders, and even some variants
> OB> of Nafigatorovsky. But on your UYUK there is a CRC error in each block.
>
> If it doesn’t decode for you, but for others it decodes normally, look for the reason either in the
> version, or somewhere along the route you have UU blocks being cut.
>
> I decoded absolutely everything that was here over the last 6 months, including
> including Nafigator’s. And I don’t care what exactly was encoded.
From Vitaly Samoylov → To All 15 December 1997
Greetings, Artem!
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In distant times (13 Dec 97), Ser Artem wrote on a scroll Oleg Bashtenko,
Bequeathing "[00/25] Condommed", and today (15 Dec 97) I decided intervene:
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AH>>> Anyone else think so?
From Alex Letaev → To All 15 December 1997
SN>> observe
SN>> decency.
AH> Yeah... Now you said a _very_ sad thing... Do you think that everyone
AH> who comes to your “festival” has a high moral level?
It will simply be, in addition to the “major people of the scene”, just people.
Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.
From Dmitry Grigoryev → To All 15 December 1997
Hello, Max!
Sunday December 14, 1997 13:48, Max Lanskih wrote to Vitaly Samoylov:
ML> I also use AUTOUUE, and not a single person told me that they cannot
ML> decode its code.
Everything is clear ;) AUTOUUE encodes correctly, but decodes incorrectly. Logical?
Change the program/look for something fresher.
From Oleg Bashtenko → To All 15 December 1997
Hello Denis.
14 Dec 97 10:21, Denis Itskovich wrote to Max Lanskih:
[...]
DI> ... By default, it sets 64-bit CRC (crc64). And many Yuyu-decoders
DI> may not understand this. You need to install crc32.
2 ALL: But this may well be the case! The received blocks are not broken, but when decoded they give a CRC error. This leads to some suspicions.
Oleg AKA Olav
... Thoughts jump from person to person like fleas, but they don’t bite everyone.
From Oleg Bashtenko → To All 15 December 1997
Hello Alexey.
14 Dec 97 23:33, Alexey Ivanov wrote to Oleg Bashtenko:
[...]
AI> I noticed that sometimes the last 2-3 lines in blocks when transmitting
AI> are cut off on some gateways. It is necessary to make the sections shorter.
No, they are not cut off in my case.
If you take the first block, in the editor kill all the spaces between the lines in it,
merge the lines themselves so that they go one after the other, and then sew the next block in the same way, then we get a UUEmonoblock. And by setting SUUD.exe on it
we calmly pull out the source file.
AI> And my uudecode copes well with DN’s jujuks. From this
AI> it follows that it is necessary to select and properly configure the software.
Well, we are not playing spies, it needs to be encrypted there so that not everyone understands
but here it is just the opposite;)
AI> What will others say about this?
Yes, one suspicion arose here. And the suspicion is that the CRC of DNovsky
UYuker is 64-bit by default, and some people are too lazy to set it to 32-bit. It's time to put an end to this issue.
2ARTY: Try to attack me in UUE for the KENDO WARRIOR experiment, but with
different CRCs, separately 32, separately 64.
Oleg AKA Olav
... Remember: if a position cannot be defended, it can be taken.
From Sergei Novikov → To All 15 December 1997
SN>> Are you serious? In any case, this will not be included in the FT. It is necessary
SN>> to maintain decency.
AH> Yeah... Now you said a _very_ sad thing... Do you think that everyone
AH> who comes to your “festival” has a high moral level?
Well, is it really necessary to show this in your deme? Or is there no way without it?
From Alex Petrovskii → To All 15 December 1997
Hallo, Artem.
Sat December 13 1997 10:46, Artem Haritonov wrote by Oleg Bashtenko:
OB>> For example, I think that if you do UYYUK, then not with Dos-Nafigator!
OB>> :-E~~~
OB>> 2Moderator: I propose to ban the UYUYuks in the echo made by Nafigator.
OB>> After all, most people know that the UYUYukers there are buggy, they don’t use them.
OB>> For example, I’m tired of gluing and editing blocks.
SH> Glitchy?????? Yes.... Now that's what crooked hands are called?
SH> I've never had any problems with it.
SH> I'll only use it.
I support DH, the coolest thing of all such things, maybe in NC the terminal
is more convenient, or rather more affordable ;-). And instead of shouting, offer your own version of what to use and throw it into the echo. If it is better than DH, I personally
will commit to switching to it.
SH> cYa, aARTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
SH> -+-
SH> + Origin: /.·∙°d!g!7al real!7y°∙·.\ WhQ ■(81622)■5■0■7■8■7■aR7Y!
SH> (2:5032/7.44)
Alex.
From Artem Haritonov → To All 15 December 1997
AC> There is no Spectrum. If you just go by friends - maybe at least someone has the Pentagon left.
Damn, I would buy it... It costs a penny, but the pleasure... no PeCe will give you that much!
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Vladimir Yudin → To All 15 December 1997
What didn’t I see in it on my emulator? :)
Sincerely
┬ ┬┌┐┬┐ ┐┬┬
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From Roman Petrov → To All 15 December 1997
Hello! Dear Max!
At 13:47, Saturday December 13 1997 there was such a thing that
Max Lanskih scribbled a letter to Oleg Bashtenko:
ML> Yes, that’s it. It is necessary to crush those who are Nafigator YuYu. Not a single program
ML> has broken down after him.
Damn, well, I'm a wimp. It seems that everyone got it and understood it (did it reach you
Scorched?)
With respect, Roman aka Megus of Brain Wave corp.
[Team ZX-Spectrum] [Team Agatha Christie] [Team Metallica] [Team Iron Maiden]
... Or are you unforgiven too?
From Dmitry Grigoryev → To All 16 December 1997
Don’t exaggerate. There is some difference between church chastity and observance of elementary decency. And there’s no need to distort the name... Somehow it looks undignified from _your_ side...
AH> cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Andrew Chulkov → To All 16 December 1997
>>> А.В. WWW: http://www.chat.ru/~avcc E-MAIL: av...@chat.ru <<<
From Artem Haritonov → To All 16 December 1997
HeYa, Oleg!
Monday December 15 1997 09:05, Oleg Bashtenko wrote to Alexey Ivanov:
OB> 2ARTY: Try to target me in UUE for the KENDO WARRIOR experiment, but
OB> with different CRCs, separately 32, separately 64.
Yeah... Now... I have nothing else to do... Take the Navigator and try it yourself.
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Sergei Novikov → To All 16 December 1997
AC> Reluctance to buy. A student doesn’t have enough money for a fancy one, but
AC> a simple one - he doesn’t need it.
Not enough money? About 600 pieces, probably a decent one, and even with a monitor. Or even
cheaper.
From Alex Mikhailov → To All 16 December 1997
EV> Well, since we are already talking about this, I will protest against SUCH remarks.
EV> I have no other program for UUEshki, except DN v.1.50, and I read everything and everything
EV> works. Look for it at home or on the road...
EV> To Moderator: I’m sorry, but we need to tell him the truth. After all
EV> the spektrumist is toiling, getting UUEshki...
you need to be told the truth ;) you are the one toiling... ;)
are you still tired of pulling the jujuki from the echo with your hands?
autouue.exe is weak to install/configure?
and you will also immediately begin to protest
against the Dnepropetrovsk jujuks... ;)
With best regards best wishes, Arno from Omega group. e-mail: ar...@chat.ru
From Vitaly Samoylov → To All 17 December 1997
Greetings, Alexey!
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In distant times (14 Dec 97), Ser Alexey wrote on a scroll Oleg Bashtenko,
Bequeathing "[00/25] Condommed", and today (17 Dec 97) I decided intervene:
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From Vitaly Samoylov → To All 17 December 1997
Greetings, Dmitry!
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In distant times (15 Dec 97), Ser Dmitry wrote on a scroll Max Lanskih,
Bequeathing "Bad UUE by Dos Navigator", and so I decided intervene:
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From Vitaly Samoylov → To All 17 December 1997
DI>> ... By default, it sets 64-bit CRC (crc64). And many
DI>> Yuyu decoders may not understand this. You need to set crc32.
OB> 2 ALL: But this may well be the case! The received blocks are not broken,
OB> however, they give a CRC error when decoding. This leads to some
OB> suspicions.
That’s what I was trying to say, thank you for getting it!
OB> Oleg AKA Olav
From Vitaly Samoylov → To All 17 December 1997
Greetings, Oleg!
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In distant times (15 Dec 97), Ser Oleg wrote on a scroll Alexey Ivanov,
Bequeathing "Condommed", and today (17 Dec 97) I decided intervene:
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OB> If you take the first block, in the editor kill all the spaces between
OB> lines, and merge the lines themselves so that they go one after another, and then also
OB> sew the next block tightly, then we get a UUEmonoblock. A
OB> by setting SUUD.exe on it, we calmly pull out the source file.
^^^^^^^^ - what is this?
From Oleg Bashtenko → To All 17 December 1997
Hello Vitaly.
17 Dec 97 00:37, Vitaly Samoylov wrote to Oleg Bashtenko:
[...]
OB>> And setting SUUD.exe on it, we calmly pull out the source file.
VS> ^^^^^^^^ - what is this?
This is such a bourgeois YUdecoder.
Oleg AKA Olav
... "Are thoughts free of duty?" - Yes, if they do not cross the boundaries.
From Oleg Bashtenko → To All 17 December 1997
VS> That's what I was trying to say, thank you for getting it!
You have to be at least a little bit of a politician ;)
You see, some people think win95, Pentagon, Dos-NaFigator- rulezzz;)))
To tell them directly that this is MD is to offend them ;)))
Oleg AKA Olav
... The intoxication of victory sometimes turns into alcoholism.
From Artem Haritonov → To All 17 December 1997
AH>> who comes to your “festival” - have a high moral level?
SN> Well, is it really necessary to show this in your demo? Or without this, nothing
SN> how?
Three factors that strongly influence the teenage consciousness: sex&drink&drugs...
As if you yourself are not into it?!? =)
I'm leaving, leaving...
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Artem Haritonov → To All 17 December 1997
HeYa, Tyukaev!
Monday December 15 1997 11:36, Tyukaev Eugene Vladimirovich wrote to All:
TV> I’m okay too!!!!
TV> so don’t bother!
TV> by the way, I threw a GIFT here, did anyone get it???
Which one? Shock'97? Yes.
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Artem Haritonov → To All 17 December 1997
DG> Don’t exaggerate. There is some difference between church chastity and
DG> observance of elementary decency. And the name shouldn’t be distorted...
DG> It somehow looks undignified from _your_ side...
Damn, I’m just for freedom of thought. No restrictions. I don’t like frames...
PS: If I offended anyone in any way - Sorry!
cYa, aARTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Artem Haritonov → To All 17 December 1997
From Max Lanskih → To All 17 December 1997
ML> Wow!!! And what else, besides GLIGGY, can you call THIS:
DI> For example, wide possibilities. Simply in the Navigator, you can optionally
DI> choose how to read the checksum. By default, it sets 64-bit
DI> CRC (crc64). And many Yuyu decoders may not understand this. You need to set
DI> crc32.
What is the connection between crc64 and the letter M at the beginning of the lines???
Then we can only say one thing: PEOPLE, PUT CRC32 IN DN!!!!!
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From Max Lanskih → To All 17 December 1997
[...skp...]
OB> Yes, one suspicion arose here. And the suspicion is that the CRC of
OB> DNovsky YuYuker is 64-bit by default, and some people are too lazy
OB> to set it to 32-bit. It's time to put an end to this issue.
Here, here.
OB> 2ARTY: Try to attack me in UUE for the KENDO WARRIOR experiment, but with
OB> different CRCs, separately 32, separately 64.
Then in the echo, and something smaller, so as not to bother people too much.
From Max Lanskih → To All 17 December 1997
AP> I support DH, the coolest thing of all, maybe in NC
AP> the terminal is more convenient, or rather more affordable ;-). And instead of
AP> shouting, offer your own version of how to snuggle and throw it in the echo. If he is
AP> better than DH, I will personally commit to switching to him.
2Moderator: I can throw AUTOUUE. In my opinion, quite a decent weight.
Excellently encodes/decodes all YuUcodes, except for some types of Dos Navigator.
From Alexey Ivanov → To All 17 December 1997
AI>> yuyukami. It follows from this that you need to select and properly
AI>> configure the software.
VS> Do you decode 64-bit files normally? If yes, then
VS> what decoder do you use?
UUROBOT & DESPLIT - both are purely fidosh.
Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov
From Yuri Bogoslavec → To All 17 December 1997
So it is, Alexey.
14 Dec 97, Oleg Bashtenko writes to Alexey Ivanov:
OB> Hello Alexey.
OB> 14 Dec 97 04:06, Alexey Ivanov wrote to Oleg Bashtenko:
OB> [...]
AI>> If it doesn’t decode for you, but others decode normally, look for
AI>> the reason is either in the version, or somewhere along the route you have UU blocks
AI>> being cut.
OB> Yeah, somewhere along the way there is a filter for DN UYUKs, and it specially spoils them
OB>. And he doesn’t touch the rest. So it turns out... ;))))
I looked at my autouue - all the bad non-decoding devices
were made by DN, so I don’t have confidence in it either!
PS don’t throw it away from DN
[ E-mail: yu...@nicos.stud.saai.ru ]
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From Yuri Bogoslavec → To All 17 December 1997
OB>> Next time I will send you a log of the decoding of your
OB>> creation. :) For some reason, UUE.EXE perfectly decodes the UUEEncode
OB>> of other encoders, and even some variants of Nafigator’s. A
OB>> here on your UYYUK in each block there is a CRC error.
OB>> PS: But you can continue to use it...;)))
AH> Damn, but why do I unpack everything all the time? After all, the others also send
AH> encoded by the Navigator. Have you tried decoding them? Or
AH> NC-rulez? =)
For example, I tried, just DN v 1.50 from April 97
decode condome - writes about crc errors.
(I didn’t take autouue either, and others...)
From Vsevolod Potapov → To All 18 December 1997
Yes, you could see it, but you couldn’t hear the coolest soundtrack. There are such
troubles that it’s simply amazing, especially the instrument that has the part with jumping
figures and a line along the top. so low - bassy. James went nuts
(he won't hear anything like that on a Blaster :)))
so good luck with the implementation of FULL sound ;)
Regards,
Random
--
Lord of Chaos.
e-mail: ran...@cybermail.net
Concern Chaos WWW HQ: http://www.cybermail.net/~random/
From Alex Letaev → To All 18 December 1997
AH> Damn, I'm just for freedom of thought. No restrictions. I don’t like frames...
Why then do you wear pants at all? It’s better without, just not any restrictions, complete freedom. :-))))))
Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.
From Dmitry Grigoryev → To All 18 December 1997
Hello, Vitaly!
Wednesday December 17, 1997 00:20, Vitaly Samoylov wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:
VS> Yes, no, it just doesn’t support 64-bit encoding, use
VS> always 32-bit!
Ah... No problem. Never used it.
VS> Sincerely, │ Wanderer 'Sagacious' │ [ Get up early -
From Dmitry Grigoryev → To All 18 December 1997
Yes, we are all for freedom... of thought. But when it comes to expressing someone's thoughts, everyone has limits. An analogy - you are not against the distribution of pornography in general, but
you will probably be against it if they put it in your mailbox
which your ten-year-old daughter checks every morning. Will you put up a lock? Here they are -
frameworks.
AH> PS: If I offended anyone in any way - Sorry!
You're not out of malice, are you? :)
From Tyukaev Eugene Vladimirovich → To All 18 December 1997
> Hello Vitaly.
>
> 17 Dec 97 00:34, Vitaly Samoylov wrote to Oleg Bashtenko:
> [...]
> OB>> 2 ALL: But this may well be! The received blocks are not broken,
> OB>> however, when decoding they give a CRC error. This leads to some
> OB>> suspicions.
> VS> That's what I was trying to say, thank you for getting it!
> You have to be at least a little bit of a politician ;)
> You see, some people think win95, Pentagon, Dos-NaFigator- rulezzz;)))
From Tyukaev Eugene Vladimirovich → To All 18 December 1997
> HeYa, Tyukaev!
>
> Monday December 15 1997 11:36, Tyukaev Eugene Vladimirovich wrote to All:
>
>
> TV> I’m okay too!!!!
> TV> why don’t you drive me away!
>
> TV> by the way, I threw GIFT here, did you get it who???
>
> Which one? Shock'97? Yes.
From Sergei Novikov → To All 18 December 1997
SN>> Well, is it really necessary to show this in your demo? Or without this, nothing
SN>> how?
AH> Three factors that strongly influence the teenage consciousness: sex&drink&drugs...
AH> As if you yourself are not into it?!? =)
Surprisingly, no =-X
PS: Regarding the last one - are you serious? Is everything really so neglected?
From Oleg Bashtenko → To All 18 December 1997
Hello Max.
17 Dec 97 12:58, Max Lanskih wrote to Alex Petrovskii:
[...]
ML> 2Moderator: I can throw AUTOUUE. In my opinion, quite a decent weight.
ML> Excellent encoding/decoding of all UUEcodes, except for some types of Dos
ML> Navigator ones.
Any more or less self-respecting node at the station has a bunch of utilities
for UUE encoding/decoding. IMHO it's easier to request files from the boss...
Oleg AKA Olav
... Welcome to Hell! Here's your copy of WINDOWS-95
From Vitaly Samoylov → To All 19 December 1997
DI>> optionally select how to read the checksum. By default, it
DI>> sets 64-bit CRC (crc64). And many Yuyu decoders may not
DI>> understand this. You need to put crc32.
ML> And what is the connection between crc64 and the letter M at the beginning of the lines???
ML> Then we can only say one thing: PEOPLE, PUT CRC32 IN DN!!!!!
I support it!
From Roman Alexandrov → To All 19 December 1997
You need to have software that is not crooked and configured, just now I looked in the open - the subject lies
unpacked without any outside help, so there is no need to shift the problem
of the crookedness of your hands to others.
[skipped]
Happy connections.
Roman.
19 Dec 97, already 06:24
From Roman Alexandrov → To All 19 December 1997
SN> Not enough money? About 600 pieces, probably a decent one, and even with a monitor. Or
SN> even cheaper.
Well, well ;) the basic Scorpio kit costs about 800 thousand.... (without monitor
essentially)
[skipped]
Have a nice connection.
Roman.
19 Dec 97, already 21:44
From Roman Alexandrov → To All 19 December 1997
Hello, Artem!
17 Dec 97, 08:52, Artem Haritonov wrote to Sergei Novikov on the topic "[00/25]
Condommed":
[skipped]
AH>>> Yeah... Now you said a _very_ sad thing... You think that's it
From Denis Itskovich → To All 19 December 1997
See you later...
Denis.
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From Artem Haritonov → To All 19 December 1997
AH>> Damn, I'm just for freedom of thought. No restrictions. I don’t like frames...
AL> Why then do you wear pants at all? It’s better without, just no restrictions, complete freedom. :-))))))
Listen boy, you think you just said something very funny, right?
You are starting to bother me not only with your complete illiteracy, but also with your flat
jokes...
8E~
Antioftopic:
The topic of morality in demos is very subtle and incomprehensible.
Everyone has their own frames and boundaries. But we must not forget that there are also complexes.
You shouldn’t push outright crap and porn (like the flick at the end of some demo with
E97), but ideological, interesting, avant-garde developments should always be there.
Let people figure it out for themselves, they are no longer small. There is no point in banning this or
that, guided by your censorship limits.
For one simple reason - not having a _moral_ right to do so.
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Artem Haritonov → To All 19 December 1997
How? There is only crc64, but mine is always turned off!
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Artem Haritonov → To All 19 December 1997
ML> Excellent encoding/decoding of all YuYucodes, except for some types of Dos Navigator.
Everyone has it - it sucks. While you're setting it up, you won't want to throw anything away.
It's better to set DN for everyone. Only ~1mb on the HDD.
By the way, has anyone tried to open UUE under Is-Dos? Just wondering what
comes out? =)
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Artem Haritonov → To All 19 December 1997
AH>> sex&drink&drugs... As if you’re not into it yourself?!? =)
SN> Surprisingly, no =-X
8[ ]
SN> PS: Regarding the last one - are you serious? Is everything really so neglected?
Hmmm... Only the first two =)
PS2ALL: Is it possible that you can’t see the New Year’s Gifts?!?
cYa, aARTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Max Lanskih → To All 19 December 1997
ML> Yes, that’s it. It is necessary to crush those who are Nafigator YuYu. Not a single program
ML> fell apart after him.
RP> Damn, well, I’m a wimp. It seems that everyone got it and understood it (did Scorched reach you
RP>?)
Yes, we’ve already passed, the problem was not in DeEn, but in CRC64.
From Dmitry Meniaylov → To All 19 December 1997
Hello, hello, my friend Dmitry!
Mon Dec 15, 1997, at 10:13, Dmitry Grigoryev wrote to Max Lanskih:
ML>> I also use AUTOUUE, and not a single person told me that they cannot
ML>> decode its code.
DG> Everything is clear ;) AUTOUUE is correct encodes, but decodes incorrectly.
And it encodes and decodes normally (standard yuyuki).
DG> Is it logical? Change the program/look for something fresher.
VS>>> To:(Co)Moderator: Sorry for being off-topic, but many programs simply don’t
VS>>> reach!
DG> Others (who don’t use AUTOUUE) get it. Draw your own conclusions.
Yes, it’s better to do it like Artie - manually unload it and open the house. Kanechna.
Sincerely, CAPTAIN/56.
From Igor Mitkin → To All 19 December 1997
Hello Oleg Bashtenko, so we met
It happened on 17-Dec-97 at 22:03:00. I’m sitting, so I’m not bothering anyone,
and suddenly I see that Oleg Bashtenko wrote to Vitaly Samoylov
Regarding: uue encoding, and I decided to intervene too.
OB> You see, some people think win95, Pentagon, Dos-NaFigator- rulezzz;)))
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and what
is better? NC or VC? I've also seen DN more convenient, IMHO
OB> To tell them directly that this is MD is to offend them ;)))
About the W95 I can agree, 2 - the fourth year has passed, maybe something better
appeared.
Good bye!
Ours to you with a brush. Igor Mitkin
E-mail:ig...@free.tula.su
From 812/03.00 → To All 19 December 1997
AL> On it there will simply be, in addition to the “major people of the scene”, just people.
How are major people? type Kan0 ?
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From Vladimir Kacev → To All 20 December 1997
OB> rulezzz;))) To tell them directly that this is MD is to offend them ;)))
In this case, name a rule (in your opinion) analogue of each of the above.
Bye, Vladimir :)
... Now the computer’s power can be turned off...
From Sergei Novikov → To All 20 December 1997
SN>> Or even cheaper.
RA> Well, well ;) the basic Scorpio kit costs about 800 thousand.... (without
RA> monitor of course)
Why buy a new computer? Enough used, but working.
Thanks, Spirit/STEP
Moscow, Russia, CIS Sat 20 Dec 20:22
... Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my Soul to keep.
From Kuzma Pheskov → To All 20 December 1997
Hello Alex.
Tue Dec 16 1997 00:46, Alex Mikhailov wrote to Evgeny Vorobjev:
AM> you need to tell the truth ;) you are the one toiling... ;)
AM> aren’t you tired of pulling the yuyuki out of the echo yet?
AM> autouue.exe is weak to install/configure?
AM> and you are exactly the same you will immediately begin to protest
AM> against the Dnepropetrovsk youths... ;)
Yes, what do you mean by AUTOUUE? I’ve never had anything get into trouble, she explains everything perfectly. And it doesn’t matter - DH or something else. There's just something wrong with you! I specifically conducted an experiment - encoded/decoded
different files and different sizes with different versions of navigation uue encoders and everything
ok.
Kuzma
From Sergei Novikov → To All 20 December 1997
Hiya Artem! Answering a message marked with the following:
From: Artem Kharitonov (2:5032/7.44); To: Sergei Novikov;
Date: Friday, 12/19/97; Time: 09:01;
Subj: "[00/25] Condommed"
AH> PS2ALL: Are there any New Year's Gifts visible?!?
As always, they will be late, I suppose. In January. And what good are they...
With God's blessing, Sergei Novikov AKA Spirit/STEP
ZxNet: 095/100.99, FidoNet: 2:5020/689.1, InterNet: reviv...@chat.ru
Phone: (095) 952-46-19 [16.00-18.00]
From Roman Alexandrov → To All 20 December 1997
>> OB>> 2 ALL: But this could very well be! The received blocks are not broken,
>> OB>> however, when decoding they give a CRC error. This leads to some
>> OB>> suspicions.
>> VS> That’s what I was trying to say, thank you for bringing this up!
From Dmitry Shevchenko → To All 21 December 1997
AH> How? There is only crc64, but I always have it turned off!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's exactly it. :)
Dmitry.
From Dmitry Shevchenko → To All 21 December 1997
AH> Everyone has it - it sucks. While you've set it up, you won't want to throw anything.
There's no point in blaming the mirror. (c) It posts great. And there's nothing special
to configure there - areas.bbs is nice, let it work.
AH> It's better to set a DN for everyone. Total ~1mb on HDD.
"All kids install chukak and enjoy!" (c) No, thanks. I
prefer to use a robot rather than some kind of mouse shell... :)
Dmitry.
From Evgeny Vorobjev → To All 21 December 1997
Well, of course, only you can do this. It’s bad when Specky’s luminaries act in such a role (talking down on free topics). Lubricate all the charms of the Speckies. At first I thought about not even answering, I deleted the message. But now I couldn’t stand it.
And my reason is this: to install it for several things? Why the hell do I need her anymore? I use DH all the time, and, as you understand, not only for relaxation... :)))
From Alex Letaev → To All 21 December 1997
AH> Listen boy, you think you just said something very funny, right?
AH> You are starting to bother me not only with your complete illiteracy, but also
AH> with your flat jokes...
Goto mail!
Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.
From Igor Gruzdev → To All 21 December 1997
Hello, Vladimir!
It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Vladimir Kacev to
Oleg Bashtenko Sat Dec 20 1997 at 07:40 pm...
OB>> You see, some people think win95, Pentagon, Dos-NaFigator-
OB>> rulezzz;))) To tell them directly that this is MD is to offend them ;)))
VK> In this case, name a useful (in your opinion) analogue of each of the
VK> above.
os/2, Scorpion /or KGB ;)/, FC/2
However, this is 100 percent off-topic... Y?
With all sorts of regards and wishes.
Igor.
... A smart person gets rich on other people's stupidity.
From Vitaly Samoylov → To All 22 December 1997
Greetings, Kuzma!
────────────── ─────────────────────── ─────────────────────── ───────────────────
In distant times (20 Dec 97), Ser Kuzma wrote on a scroll Alex Mikhailov,
Bequeathing "Re: Bad UUE by Dos Navigator", and today (22 Dec 97) I decided
to intervene:
───────────────────────────── ────────────────────────── ────────────────────────
KP> Yes, what do you mean by AUTOUUE? I’ve never had anything get into trouble
KP>, she explains everything perfectly. And all the same - DH
KP> or something else. There's just something wrong with you! I specially conducted
KP> an experiment - encoded/decoded different files and different sizes
KP> with different versions of navigation uue encoders and everything was ok.
Wow! What version do you have? I suspected that there was a version higher than 3.0 BagFixed!
KP> Kuzma
From Kuzma Pheskov → To All 22 December 1997
Hello Vitaly.
Mon Dec 22 1997 01:10, Vitaly Samoylov wrote to Kuzma Pheskov:
VS> Wow! And what version do you have, I suspected that there was a version higher than 3.0
VS> BagFixed !
Yes, I have 3.0, maybe, of course, it’s fixed, but not by me, I have it in
the form in which it came to me.
Kuzma
From Stas Filuta → To All 23 December 1997
Glad to see you, Yuri!
There was a flame between Yuri Bogoslavec & Artem Kharitonov. So, here is my
opinion about it.
YB> For example, I tried, just DN v 1.50 from April 97
YB> to decode condome - writes about crc errors.
YB> (I didn’t take the autouue either, and others...)
Here I AUTOUUE threw a lot into bads. I had to run through the message database -
write it in a file and DN 1.42 figured everything out _perfectly!
Stas Filuta (Aka FSA) SysOp STAFI BBS [ Team /Prodigy/ ]
Per Aspera Ad Astra
From Dmitry Grigoryev → To All 23 December 1997
Hello, Dmitry!
Friday December 19, 1997 19:42, Dmitry Meniaylov wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:
DM> Yes, it’s better to do it like Artie - manually unload it and open the house. Kanechna.
You understand... It’s not like Artie sits and rips out Yuyuki all day long...
I even think that he has to do this extremely rarely... And for the sake of this
occupation he simply has no need to install a glitchy, outdated robot. In general, it’s time to wrap up this conversation. He has little to do with Speccy. Problems with
decoding are problems with the decoder.
DM> Sincerely, CAPTAIN/56.
Regards, Dmitry (OLDMAN).
ZXNet: 095/100.1
old...@i-connect.ru
From Alex Mikhailov → To All 23 December 1997
EV> Well, of course, only you can do this. It’s bad when the luminaries of Specky
EV> act in such a role (talking down on free topics). All
EV> are lubricated by Specky's delights. At first I thought about not even answering, I deleted the message. But now
EV> I couldn’t stand it. And my reason is this: to install it for several things? Why the hell do I still need it? I use DH all the time, and, as you understand,
EV> is not only for learning... :)))
5 minutes to set up the auto -
is this called “installing”? this is called “write to a screw and correct a couple of lines in the config.”
although I, of course, understand that it is very convenient to pull the handles of the jujuki, even if there are “several” of them.
but I have not several jujuks, but several
meters of jujuks per day (in different echoes).
and what the car couldn’t understand goes
to bads that are automatically
killed once a day.
in general, I bought the PC only
because it allows
full automation of work with mail.
if it had been on the Spectrum, I would never have bought it. and personally, to be honest, it’s a little
strange for me to hear from the owner of the control center that he refuses
from automation.. :)
From Vitaly Samoylov → To All 25 December 1997
Greetings, Kuzma!
────────────── ─────────────────────── ─────────────────────── ───────────────────
In ancient times (22 Dec 97), Ser Kuzma wrote on a scroll Vitaly Samoylov,
Bequeathing "Re: Bad UUE by Dos Navigator", and today (25 Dec 97) I decided
to intervene:
───────────────────────────── ────────────────────────── ────────────────────────
VS>> Wow! And what version do you have, I suspected that there was a version higher than 3.0
VS>> BagFixed !
KP> Yes, I have 3.0, maybe, of course, it’s fixed, but not by me, I
KP> have it in the form in which it came to me.
So I haven’t looked at the BEDs for a long time!
KP> Kuzma
From Artem Haritonov → To All 26 December 1997
DM>> Kanechna.
DG> You understand... It’s not like Artie sits all day long and makes jokes
DG>... I even think that he has to do this extremely rarely...
DG> And he simply doesn’t need to set up a glitchy outdated robot for this activity
DG>. In general, it’s time to end this conversation. He
DG> has little to do with Speccy. Problems with decoding are problems
DG> of the decoder.
In-in, “saving the fingers is the work of the feet itself”... =)
cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···
From Kuzma Pheskov → To All 27 December 1997
KP>> it’s in the form in which it came to me.
VS> So I haven’t looked at the BEDs for a long time!
I have very few bad ones, no more than 2-3 files per week, mostly
from ehi sol to ipa.
Kuzma